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AP fires reporter behind retracted ‘Russian missiles’ story

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Re: AP fires reporter behind retracted ‘Russian missiles’ story

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Post by HDThoreaun »

somenameforme wrote: post #16

It's amazing how quickly fake news is able to spread through "credible" news sources, all without even the slightest bit of real verification. I don't know if its scary or comforting to consider that if the political establishment wanted WW3, they could have it had it right there. The same intelligence agencies that convinced the world Iraq had WMD could have simply agreed with the story/Zelensky/et al, declare anybo…

The story was retracted the next day. Sure some madman could launch a bike whenever they want, I don’t think this ap story has anything to do with that.

Re: AP fires reporter behind retracted ‘Russian missiles’ story

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Post by kodyo »

ajross wrote: post #37
kodyo wrote: post #31

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Shitty reporting that supports your intelligence agency's agenda is pretty straight-forward fake news.

What agenda? The state department and white house straight up denied this story when it ran!

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Re: AP fires reporter behind retracted ‘Russian missiles’ story

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Post by kodyo »

kube-system wrote: post #40
kodyo wrote: post #26

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I’m sure Ukraine doesn’t feel like it’s fighting a puppet dance. Just because the US has made bad decisions before doesn’t mean that it’s doing a bad thing now, nor does it means that there’s anything wrong with incentives being aligned. All international relations are based on aligned incentives of self interest, not just those of the US.

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Re: AP fires reporter behind retracted ‘Russian missiles’ story

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Post by kube-system »

kodyo wrote: post #31
duxup wrote: post #28

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Personally I think of incorrect news without someone trying to lie or distort the news as just a mistake. As far as I know that was the case here, and bound to happen a great deal. I think of fake news as something else.

Shitty reporting that supports your intelligence agency's agenda is pretty straight-forward fake news.

Have you read anything that the DoD says about this conflict? They very clearly do not want to get involved in this war first-hand. Nor would it make any sense for them to do so, the most selfish action here is to simply send weapons and let Ukraine do all the dirty work.

Re: AP fires reporter behind retracted ‘Russian missiles’ story

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Post by defrost »

somenameforme wrote: post #16

It's amazing how quickly fake news is able to spread through "credible" news sources, all without even the slightest bit of real verification. I don't know if its scary or comforting to consider that if the political establishment wanted WW3, they could have it had it right there. The same intelligence agencies that convinced the world Iraq had WMD could have simply agreed with the story/Zelensky/et al, declare anybo…

> The same intelligence agencies that convinced the world Iraq had WMD

To be more accurate about something that matters, no intelligence agency in the US, the UK, AU, or other major intell nation claimed that Iraq had WMD's.

That was completely and utterly a senior US political position that demanded non existeant evidence to support a bizarro "known unknowns" claim .. backed by then UK politicians and tacitly agreed with by the then AU Prime Minister.

US Colin Powell did the worst dog and pony show at the UN talking up cartoons as "evidence" and agencies did what they do and made no public comment but . . .

Nobody with a clue and eyes on the ground from the Intell community thought WMDs were a thing, that one was all from the political sphere.

Re: AP fires reporter behind retracted ‘Russian missiles’ story

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Post by andrewflnr »

robswc wrote: post #30

Seems wild how it seems lately there's no room for gray, only black and white. I got torn apart for saying the "ghost of Kyiv" wasn't real, followed by the "most level headed take" of a reply that went something like "hey, even if its fake, people need something to believe in right now so saying this stuff only helps Russia." I am of course 100% against what Russia is doing. I just feel like we should all be very awa…

It's not really about missing black and white. I'm inclined to say it's the opposite. Too many people have gotten used to bending or ignoring the truth in favor of their ideology (whoever you're thinking of: not just them). In their minds this seems to be a matter of defending some "higher truth", or rather keeping people from pesky details that might prevent them from coming to the "right" conclusion, but they forget reality is made of pesky details. Any ideology that drifts from reality is doomed to not only fail, but probably cause a lot of suffering on the way. Truth matters, all of it.

Anyway, in a war these pesky details usually blur the nice black/white, us/them narrative that gets people motivated to fight. I mostly agree with your post, just wanted to say my piece on that.

Re: AP fires reporter behind retracted ‘Russian missiles’ story

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Post by kube-system »

kodyo wrote: post #44
kube-system wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m sure Ukraine doesn’t feel like it’s fighting a puppet dance. Just because the US has made bad decisions before doesn’t mean that it’s doing a bad thing now, nor does it means that there’s anything wrong with incentives being aligned. All international relations are based on aligned incentives of self interest, not just those of the US.

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It’s not 2014 anymore. If you think that a coup is wrong, then what do you think about a total annexation?
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