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Re: Twitter at 1am on a Friday

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Post by lotsofpulp »

kcplate wrote: post #31
sys_64738 wrote: post #17

Some people have families and a life outside of work. We sure as heck ain't staying until 1am for anybody.

I have a family and a life outside of work, and I can’t count how many all nighters I have pulled in 35+ years of my career. Sometimes you need to do them. Of course I was raised in a generation that believed it was in our best interest that our company’s were successful…

> I was raised in a generation that believed it was in our best interest that our company’s were successful…

Unless I was given a ton of liquid equity for it, I would not assume it was in my best interest.

Re: Twitter at 1am on a Friday

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Post by nathanaldensr »

bern4444 wrote: post #36

Lots of comments on how hackathons and late night sessions were fond memories for people. The difference is those events were chosen. If you are forced to remain at your company (due to visa issues for example) being forced by your CEO to stay at work until 1am is atrocious. This is not a profession where being at the office this late is the norm and it's not typical for the environment. Twitter is not a startup in a…

The fact that so many people so willingly give in to it is why sociopaths rule us all.

Re: Twitter at 1am on a Friday

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Post by deanCommie »

Of all the scenarios with Twitter in the last several months where people talk past each other, this is the one I am most confused by.

You got startup CEOs (not just Elon Musk brownnosers) talking about how some of the most innovative things get built at startups.

Which is true! Big, world-changing ideas, don't get built 9-5. And especially if you have some competitive advantage, you need to rush to market, to beat the others.

But Twitter is (was) a 40+ Billion dollar company. None of the people in this photo have any reasonable equity (the kind that makes people work nights and weekends in the hope that an IPO makes them a millionaire). And Twitter has a massive network effect of the kind meaning that if you don't screw it up (and god is Elon trying), none of these people are going anywhere.

I can understand that it's in Musk's interest to create a reality distortion field and convince the employees that they need to stay and go Hardcore so that he can create the American Weechat, or whatever he's got in mind.

But what do the other CEOs that are swooning over this have to gain except a dry run for also starting to treat their employees like garbage...

Re: Twitter at 1am on a Friday

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Post by yftsui »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #7
memish wrote: post #4

Er. How many of them are H-1Bs?

Per US. Citizenship and Immigration Services, around 300 employees at Twitter are working under the H-1B visa. My note: I am aware of someone at Meta attempting to reach out to these folks to interview for offers to transfer their visas. Very kind of folks willing to do so. Source: https://www.uscis.gov/tools/reports-and-studies/h-1b-employe...

This data apparently is not complete, if you search Amazon it returns 646 employees, a random Amazon high rise building has more H1-B workers than that count.

Re: Twitter at 1am on a Friday

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Post by x128 »

big_red wrote: post #37

Are you kidding me? Those guys are living the dream! Chilling out with Elon Musk on a Friday night. I’d go there to make the coffee and clean the dishes so I could overhear in the next room. No seriously

Oof. That boot.

Re: Twitter at 1am on a Friday

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Post by jjtheblunt »

mike503 wrote: post #18

As the comment says, it would be interesting to interact with the richest person on earth. Short of that, I have no idea why anyone would think it's fun or anything to be in that atmosphere. He could change direction on a whim and make you redundant in a second.

I'd like to assert this richest person holds no real sway over you unless threatening your life, which is a far cry from possibly just being a nuisance narcissistic character at worst introducing a discontinuity in your employment.

You're as important as him, regardless of your bank account.

Re: Twitter at 1am on a Friday

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Post by big_red »

kcplate wrote: post #32
Kye wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is after he fired over half the company and threatened the rest with unemployment if they didn't come in. This is not organic. This is coercion.

Or…it’s separating the wheat from the chaff

^totally. I remember my startup incubator we all worked well into the night often as late as 6am. I remember falling asleep at my terminal often, and indeed slept at the office regularly, well until they told me to stop that. Look, people of a certain mindset need an Everest to conquer. If they don’t want to join in they can leave, everyone is there by choice.

Re: Twitter at 1am on a Friday

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Post by x128 »

kcplate wrote: post #32
Kye wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is after he fired over half the company and threatened the rest with unemployment if they didn't come in. This is not organic. This is coercion.

Or…it’s separating the wheat from the chaff

and what do I gain by giving my soul to the company?

Re: Twitter at 1am on a Friday

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Post by stouset »

kcplate wrote: post #31
sys_64738 wrote: post #17

Some people have families and a life outside of work. We sure as heck ain't staying until 1am for anybody.

I have a family and a life outside of work, and I can’t count how many all nighters I have pulled in 35+ years of my career. Sometimes you need to do them. Of course I was raised in a generation that believed it was in our best interest that our company’s were successful…

I have 20 years in startups and this is not normal.

Re: Twitter at 1am on a Friday

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Post by wskish »

deanCommie wrote: post #43

Of all the scenarios with Twitter in the last several months where people talk past each other, this is the one I am most confused by. You got startup CEOs (not just Elon Musk brownnosers) talking about how some of the most innovative things get built at startups. Which is true! Big, world-changing ideas, don't get built 9-5. And especially if you have some competitive advantage, you need to rush to market, to beat t…

> so that he can create the American Weechat, or whatever he's got in mind.

What if what he has in mind is attempting to undo the negative effects that social networks have had on our society and democracy and instead attempt to rebuild this particular network in a way that can have a positive effect on society? It seems like that is a technological possibility and also something he could plausibly be interested in.

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