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Re: Tell HN: Cloudflare Is Blocking Piped

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Post by newsclues »

BlackLotus89 wrote: post #38
oefrha wrote: post #13

Honestly, if I wasn't a technical guy and I saw my channel and all my content on some piped.kavin.rocks or yewtu.be which aren't visually distinguishable from all the non-alternative-YouTube-frontend tube sites, I would assume someone's ripping all my content and impersonating me as well. I can totally see where the DMCA is coming from. And even knowing the technical differences, one may want to dissociate with a stu…

Why is yewtu.be a stupid domainname? It's an "alternative" spelling of youtu.be that's easy to memorize and fast to type. I use a plugin to redirect to newpipe instances, but if I hadn't one I would probably use yewtu.be because it would suck to always type something like piped.kavin.rocks or invidious.pussthecat.org

I think that is a comment about alt right commentators online. YewTube sounds like an anti Semitic joke.

Re: Tell HN: Cloudflare Is Blocking Piped

#42

Post by iquerno »

zelphirkalt wrote: post #15

By now Cloudflare is more of an obstacle to the free web than it is helping. A centralized entity, whose scripts from randomly named subdomains you must allow to run on your machine, or be stuck at their obnoxious "checking your browser" page endlessly reloading, because some web dev decided to put their website behind Cloudflare. Cloudflare is one of the most prominent reasons for me to simply close the browser tab…

I never really understood Cloudflare's intent, because from the marketing material it seems that you get DDOS "protection", free TLS certs, everything in a monthly package, affordable, bla bla bla.

But from some basic calculations I get that R2, Workers and egress bandwidth beyond a few terabytes costs just as much as Oracle cloud / Alibaba.

But what I dislike the most is how little control you have over what's going on there. Like: If you haven't setup TLS on your webserver, why do they allow unencrypted traffic to flow between the server Cloudflare and encrypt it to the end users and pretend that is secure?

Why can't they forward all my server's headers? Why ?????????

Read some horror stories on Hackernews and you'll quickly find out what their "unmetered bandwidth" really means. You get very little if any transparency about the pricing, which I would except from tiny cloud companies, but this is supposed to be a major one!

Re: Tell HN: Cloudflare Is Blocking Piped

#43

Post by codedokode »

Cloudflare might end a golden era of scraping, when it was trivial to scrape data from any site. Now Cloudflare helps site owners to make sure than only humans can read their contents manually. As more site owners switch to similar services, web will become less and less machine readable. No automated data processing, no archiving.

Re: Tell HN: Cloudflare Is Blocking Piped

#44

Post by dxuh »

ilyt wrote: post #24
sdze wrote: post #11

Why would anybody in the right mind centralize his/her infrastructure? I doubt that people actually need something like Cloudflare.

You can use shit slow language with fat framework and just put it behind CF and run half decent, that's why people use it

But you can also use a fast language with no framework, but host it on a 5€/mo VM and put it behind CF and it will run half decent.

Re: Tell HN: Cloudflare Is Blocking Piped

#45

Post by hakre »

rurtrack wrote: post #37
sgtfrankieboy wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because they save us ~20 thousand a month in bandwidth cost.

We got 10k visits in a single day. Cost of data transfer: zero

Really zero, like non of the visitors was hitting the original servers? That would be impressive then. And you should consider to make money with delegating the traffic, not give away the traffic for free.

Re: Tell HN: Cloudflare Is Blocking Piped

#46

Post by codedokode »

zelphirkalt wrote: post #15

By now Cloudflare is more of an obstacle to the free web than it is helping. A centralized entity, whose scripts from randomly named subdomains you must allow to run on your machine, or be stuck at their obnoxious "checking your browser" page endlessly reloading, because some web dev decided to put their website behind Cloudflare. Cloudflare is one of the most prominent reasons for me to simply close the browser tab…

One of the reasons why it became like this is because there is no protocol that would allow a host to request blocking traffic from other host on upstream provider (so that malicious traffic is blocked close to originating network). If there was such protocol, site owners could protect from attacks themselves, but without it you have to use Cloudflare unless you are Google scale with channels wider than attacker's.

Re: Tell HN: Cloudflare Is Blocking Piped

#47

Post by scrollaway »

iquerno wrote: post #42
zelphirkalt wrote: post #15

By now Cloudflare is more of an obstacle to the free web than it is helping. A centralized entity, whose scripts from randomly named subdomains you must allow to run on your machine, or be stuck at their obnoxious "checking your browser" page endlessly reloading, because some web dev decided to put their website behind Cloudflare. Cloudflare is one of the most prominent reasons for me to simply close the browser tab…

I never really understood Cloudflare's intent, because from the marketing material it seems that you get DDOS "protection", free TLS certs, everything in a monthly package, affordable, bla bla bla. But from some basic calculations I get that R2, Workers and egress bandwidth beyond a few terabytes costs just as much as Oracle cloud / Alibaba. But what I dislike the most is how little control you have over what's going…

The two actual whys you have posted are settings you can change in the cloudflare config.

Re: Tell HN: Cloudflare Is Blocking Piped

#49

Post by Run_DOS_Run »

CloudFlare again.. Offering their service to crime forums, credit card fraud shops and phishing websites, while making usage of Tor and VPNs nearly impossible or atleast a pain.

Coupled with the hypocrisy of an open web and freedom of speech, it makes CloudFlare arguably one of the worst threats to the web as we know it.

Whereas the freedom of speech ala Cloudflare stops as soon as it can generate cheap PR, because then a website is quickly blocked after a few media reports.. or in case of Piped as soon as the content mafia is complaining.

Re: Tell HN: Cloudflare Is Blocking Piped

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Post by intelVISA »

iquerno wrote: post #42
zelphirkalt wrote: post #15

By now Cloudflare is more of an obstacle to the free web than it is helping. A centralized entity, whose scripts from randomly named subdomains you must allow to run on your machine, or be stuck at their obnoxious "checking your browser" page endlessly reloading, because some web dev decided to put their website behind Cloudflare. Cloudflare is one of the most prominent reasons for me to simply close the browser tab…

I never really understood Cloudflare's intent, because from the marketing material it seems that you get DDOS "protection", free TLS certs, everything in a monthly package, affordable, bla bla bla. But from some basic calculations I get that R2, Workers and egress bandwidth beyond a few terabytes costs just as much as Oracle cloud / Alibaba. But what I dislike the most is how little control you have over what's going…

> If you haven't setup TLS on your webserver, why do they allow unencrypted traffic to flow between the server Cloudflare and encrypt it to the end users and pretend that is secure?

I Really Can't Think of Any Reason

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