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Israel deploys remote-controlled robotic guns

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Re: Israel deploys remote-controlled robotic guns

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> the idea of an unmanned sponge-bullet turret in my neighborhood that would fire without notice is pretty sensational anyway Isn’t it objectively better than lethally-armed soldiers?

I imagine that's a complicated question. Do people remotely controlling weapons naturally make the same kind of decisions as those looking right at people?

There are plenty of US military drone operators that can answer that.

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I find it interesting that such a small country and population can create the most devastating Offensive Kinetic and Cyber weapons… Is this due to conscription and the revolving door with the Military/Civilian sectors? There have been multiple Cyber Security Companies “created” by ex-military personnel. Any insight / conversation on the topic is welcome.

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They're manned, the man is just somewhere else.

Worked well for the Milgram experiment.

The Milgrim study was not quite as bad as it seemed or was reported. A substantial proportion of the "torturers" had figured out that it was not real. Several more protested that it was wrong. Those who did continue were convinced by the researchers that what they were doing was for the greater good.

However it did show that the separation of the executioner or torturer from the victim seemed to enable more viciousness.

Collateral Murder video leak from Wikileaks may better exhibit this effect.

Re: Israel deploys remote-controlled robotic guns

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I imagine that's a complicated question. Do people remotely controlling weapons naturally make the same kind of decisions as those looking right at people?

There are plenty of US military drone operators that can answer that.

I'm not sure that's the best comparison. Regular pilots are even somewhat detached from the effect of their weapons. It's hard to compare directly to handling a gun.

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"only" Israel has killed babies with tear gas and maimed children with sponge-tipped bullets before. This will continue as there wont be any consequences at all for the sadists operating these guns. Previously they could at least be caught on film and the outcry would force some kind of investigation. Now there is not even that and no one will be held responsible for maiming children. This is precisely why the Israel…

Tear gas and sponge-tipped bullets are used by police everywhere, including New Zealand of all places. Al Jazeera is literally Qatari government propaganda and there’s substantial evidence that DCI Palestine is tied to terrorist groups ( https://www.reuters.com/world/finnish-christian-charity-cuts... ). Don’t let propagandists blow tragic accidents out of proportion to scapegoat the Jews

I'll be polite and assume this is not an attempt to start some anti-semitic flamewar to diverge conversation from topic, but it sure looks like one.

Israel as a state would like to be seen as western democracy and approached accordingly, which brings inevitable requirements on the behavior of any such state. What they do, and how they do it often leaves a lot to desire, or even hold some basic human rights threshold.

There is a reason why West bank is for decades often called 'biggest concentration camp in the western world'. How they often shoot to kill civilians throwing rocks (or unarmed female journalists), how they use these 'non-lethal' weapons in a very lethal way against innocent bystanders, and yes including babies. How these crimes go completely utterly unpunished due to rampart camaraderie (I mean former/future PM is former spec-ops team leader, so lots of things get a pass)

Re: Israel deploys remote-controlled robotic guns

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I find it interesting that such a small country and population can create the most devastating Offensive Kinetic and Cyber weapons… Is this due to conscription and the revolving door with the Military/Civilian sectors? There have been multiple Cyber Security Companies “created” by ex-military personnel. Any insight / conversation on the topic is welcome.

Their history, their location, while being an advanced country. It only makes sense it's top of mind and taken seriously where it's not really in many other parts of the known world. Feels like the few Israeli programmers and engineers I've met all have some story of that one time they worked on a military project while it's pretty uncommon in general.

Re: Israel deploys remote-controlled robotic guns

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Sensationalist heading. The guns are not robotic, only remote controlled and they "only fire sponge-tipped bullets and tear gas".

"only" Israel has killed babies with tear gas and maimed children with sponge-tipped bullets before. This will continue as there wont be any consequences at all for the sadists operating these guns. Previously they could at least be caught on film and the outcry would force some kind of investigation. Now there is not even that and no one will be held responsible for maiming children. This is precisely why the Israel…

“Sadists”? Please, can you sensationalize this more?

Re: Israel deploys remote-controlled robotic guns

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tear gas and sponge-tipped bullets are used by police everywhere, including New Zealand of all places. Al Jazeera is literally Qatari government propaganda and there’s substantial evidence that DCI Palestine is tied to terrorist groups ( https://www.reuters.com/world/finnish-christian-charity-cuts... ). Don’t let propagandists blow tragic accidents out of proportion to scapegoat the Jews

What makes Israel somewhat unique is the readiness with which it deploys “less lethal” weapons. I don’t think New Zealand regularly tear gasses large areas under its control, or fires sponge-tipped bullets into crowds. And, as a Jew: Israel is not “the Jews.” They’re a country, one that does not represent my interests, or the interests of millions of other Jews.

It does. Also New Zealand, the land of the Māori. You could construct here a narrative of "large areas under its control", i.e. European settlers vs. Māori. Israel is not a special country here.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/03/this-is-a-mome...

Re: Israel deploys remote-controlled robotic guns

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A few thoughts: - Operation of the gun can be used as training data for AI - Eventually we won't know when the gun becomes completely guided by AI

Is that going to make the operators less remorseful?

An anime called Psycho-Pass comments on this. A system existed to replace the remote view with a cartoonish environment with chicken characters so the operators would not receive psychological harm from operating a violet instrument.
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