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But, aren't you folks web2?

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Re: But, aren't you folks web2?

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Post by lzooz »

SideburnsOfDoom wrote: post #26
k__ wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This. Mastodon basically shards data via instances. If someone shuts one down, the data there is gone. Plus, it's not permissionless. Most instances are invite only.

> Plus, it's not permissionless. Most instance admins first check if they like your face before you get in Is this really a blocker? If your face is really that objectionable, you can buy your own mastodon-as-a-service for single-digit dollars per month. (1) This doesn't seem at all "centralised" to me. 1) https://masto.host/

You can do all of that and then talk to yourself because no one will federate with you.

Re: But, aren't you folks web2?

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Post by quonn »

a_c wrote: post #13

Isn't it happening all the time? Web3, crypto, AI, kubernetes, microservices, docker, server side rendering, SPA, react, graphql, backend in frontend, DevOps, DevSecOps, fullstack, mongodb, new features in mongodb that mimic sql, Restful, mobile, django/rails, agile, kanban. Some of them make sense, some of them make sense for some of the people, some will be forgotten from history. And those forgotten, will reemerge…

No really, because it's easy to point to many useful applications of AI, microservices, docker, SSR, SPA, react, GraphQL, etc. Even crypto. On the other hand, web3 applications virtually don't exist, so it's quite something to pretend that your application should be web3 as many now do.

Re: But, aren't you folks web2?

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Post by hocuspocus »

sdiacom wrote: post #22
mjburgess wrote: post #4

For the first time my anger over crypto moves into genuine concern. Is an entire generation of young people experiencing a kind of "pokemonisation" of crypto well into early adulthood? In other words, is a generation of 20-somethings wasting the better part of that decade on this tech, in these scams? If so, this feels new (?). We're not talking about the chain-letter crazes of the 20s/30s, the housewife pyramid sche…

I hang out in spaces for people entering tech, and I see the crypto advocates and grifters creeping in and around these spaces. It's extremely successful. Lately, I'm even seeing crypto grifts specifically aimed at people entering tech from non-traditional backgrounds, weaponising the language and discourse of diversity and empowerment to trick them into not just buying into the grift, but code the grift for them. Fo…

I wouldn't really worry about people with a college degree. At one point or another you remember you classes on distributed systems and you realize the entire space is bullshit. I agree we'll see bootcamp grads and other people from non-traditional backgrounds get burned but it also gives them opportunities that wouldn't exist otherwise, so I'm not sure it's a net negative overall.

The much bigger issue lies within politicians, the media and the general public who still believe we should let the scams happen for the sake of innovation, despite zero evidence thereof. Sadly I think we need a few more catastrophic events like FTX before people understand there's nothing to salvage.

Re: But, aren't you folks web2?

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Post by Kye »

conceptme wrote: post #37
Kye wrote: post #7

>> "Now, web3 is a broad wildcard term that seems to revolve around a large number of concepts including decentralisation, self-sovereignty, privacy, free speech, censorship, security, BigTech, BigGov, democracy, human rights[3], monetisation, royalties, art, trust, digital rights, ownership, assets, property, proofs, cryptography, wallets … all somehow connected to a blockchain. One would be hard pressed to think of…

Web 2.0 was more about letting users creating the content not about SPA, Web 3.0 about the semantic web that never came to be except some niche areas, and now rebranded for crypto :P

Maybe my memory is fuzzy, but 1.0 was all about people making the content. Or at least promising content with under construction GIFs. Everyone had a guestbook on their page. Some people even had forums and/or a blog. Everything/Nothing (E/N) pages were all the rage.

Re: But, aren't you folks web2?

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Post by dr-detroit »

Traubenfuchs wrote: post #8

Having a web3 startup is just as inane as having a mongodb startup. Those technologies don‘t make anything possible that wasn‘t possible before. In any case: We are talking about this buzzwords for ~8 years now. Is there a list of useful web3 offerings by now? Any heavy hitters, killer applications? Anything besides wacky money making schemes like virtual sneakers?

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Re: But, aren't you folks web2?

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Post by ekidd »

nathias wrote: post #11
mjburgess wrote: post #4

For the first time my anger over crypto moves into genuine concern. Is an entire generation of young people experiencing a kind of "pokemonisation" of crypto well into early adulthood? In other words, is a generation of 20-somethings wasting the better part of that decade on this tech, in these scams? If so, this feels new (?). We're not talking about the chain-letter crazes of the 20s/30s, the housewife pyramid sche…

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At this point, web3 is becoming strongly associated with high-profile scams, many of them likely criminal. It's also associated with people who won't stop talking about how the blockchain will make your teeth whiter, or something equally unlikely.

Blockchains are just decentralized Merkle trees. Merkle trees are a cool trick (look at git!). But the cost of decentralizing them, Bitcoin-style, has been massive carbon emissions. And the gain from decentralizing them? It's usually pretty tiny. I mean, I guess zero-trust decentralization makes it impossible to recover your coins if they're stolen or lost by an exchange, but that doesn't exactly seem like a huge advantage. /s

In most of the financial blockchain pitches I've heard, you could replace proof-of-work via a time-stamping service run by a trusted clearing house. Just have someone like DTC https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depository_Trust_Company keep track of the HEAD of git repository, and you'd be 95% of the way there. They already handle 100s of trillions of dollars of transactions a year with much less risk and drama than the average crypto exchange.

Re: But, aren't you folks web2?

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Post by deebosong »

mjburgess wrote: post #19
k__ wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When I graduated, mobile was the big thing. That's old now. So, what to do to make a name for you? What big new field is there where you don't have to compete with people that have 10 times the experience than you? Independently of what you think web3 might solve or doesn't solve, it's still just programming. Someone learning cryptography and coding will get a job in other places.

That's a hopeful upside, that, say an 18 is learning data technology, programming etc. via crypto. My concern is whether that's what they are learning; too early to tell, of course. One thing I'm also thinking is that crypto functions like "wokeism" in the sense it seems a parallel right-wing version of the same kind of cultural reformation. At the same time large retail biz profess their diversity credentials, their…

Not saying I disagree with your concerns.

But didn't Banksy say something similar about young artists being funneled into the for-profit corporate propaganda machine, trading their art skills and unique perspective (and expression of their interpretations) of the world at large, for a corporate paycheck?

“The thing I hate the most about advertising is that it attracts all the bright, creative and ambitious young people, leaving us mainly with the slow and self-obsessed to become our artists.. Modern art is a disaster area. Never in the field of human history has so much been used by so many to say so little.”

Seems like every generation will need to battle with selling out, no matter the industry or era. But that being said, the web3 stuff feels pointedly scammier than even mobile/ social (which critics skewered even as it was burgeoning/ proliferating when it did, and people still rightfully criticize it today).

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edited for posting wrong Banksy quote

Re: But, aren't you folks web2?

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Post by SideburnsOfDoom »

lzooz wrote: post #41
SideburnsOfDoom wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Plus, it's not permissionless. Most instance admins first check if they like your face before you get in Is this really a blocker? If your face is really that objectionable, you can buy your own mastodon-as-a-service for single-digit dollars per month. (1) This doesn't seem at all "centralised" to me. 1) https://masto.host/

You can do all of that and then talk to yourself because no one will federate with you.

If you're really objectionable, no one will listen to you.

Sounds more like a feature than a bug to me. And still not centralised.

Re: But, aren't you folks web2?

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Post by colesantiago »

World177 wrote: post #21

There are really interesting use cases of "Web3" As an example, consider domains. Ethereum Name Service domains are currently one of the most popular. If you use these domains, you instantly have access to the 10,000,000 people using MetaMask, and the 50,000,000 people using Brave Browser. They're actually very powerful when considering the centralization of normal domains. They allow you to create decentralized doma…

How do you deal with domain squatting or trademark violation?

The current system does this well because of identity and web3 doesn't have any answer to this.

Also I can host my own DNS server with my own domain name all decentralised without crypto scamming.

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