I decided to stop working on Mighty • Hacker News Board

Re: I decided to stop working on Mighty

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Post by modeless » Sun, Nov 13, 2022, 4:39 PM UTC

Looking at tweets like [1] it seems like their original bet was that server single core performance would dramatically outpace client single core performance. Honestly even if that had happened I still don't think their product would have made sense. The hosting cost and bandwidth/latency requirements would still have killed it.

The death of this product is a good sign for computing overall. The more of computing that happens on the client the better. Clients are (at least sometimes) under user control. When stuff moves to the cloud users give up control and that's a bad thing. Long live fat clients!

[1] https://twitter.com/Suhail/status/1588906086459150337?s=20&t...

Re: I decided to stop working on Mighty

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Post by loloquwowndueo » Sun, Nov 13, 2022, 4:40 PM UTC

aero-glide2 wrote: post #18

patentatt wrote: post #16

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Each tweet can have a separate discussion

And that’s good why exactly?

Re: I decided to stop working on Mighty

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Post by ahMath8 » Sun, Nov 13, 2022, 4:41 PM UTC

roflyear wrote: post #21

amadeuspagel wrote: post #7

In May 2021 Paul Graham wrote Crazy New Ideas [1], in which he explained that envy is the only reason people criticize ideas by "reasonable domain experts". This was widely understood at the time to refer to critics of Mighty[2][3]. [1]: http://paulgraham.com/newideas.html [2]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27062713 [3]: https://www.echevarria.io/blog/the-mighty-pushback-isnt-all-...

I know to exist in the VC world you have to buy into insane shit and convince yourself you believe it is the next best thing, but this just seems so ludicrous to me. I don't understand it at all.

People with enough money sit and imagine all day tend to develop delusions of grandeur; see the various flavors of tribal wise men in history.

Not so bad in and of itself, it’s when individual’s delusions of self worth infect others and drag us along with.

Daily work should focus on tending to human biological needs and telling the delusional to mumble their gibberish in a corner aside from that.

I feel zero obligation to validate PG or Musk or the rest. Just people. Each one of billions. Their figurative identities as wealthy members of society is due to conformity to politically correct spoken tradition, not an indication they’re almighty.

Re: I decided to stop working on Mighty

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Post by peter422 » Sun, Nov 13, 2022, 4:41 PM UTC

talhof8 wrote: post #39

I don't think it's M1 that killed it. Probably high server costs and being a vitamin and not a painkiller killed it. Also, people are not too happy about giving away their browser history data to server-side powered browsers. That being said, it's still sad to see startups fail. Hopefully they'll have better luck with their new direction. Fingers crossed!

Well I think M1 probably put the nail in the coffin but I agree, probably still fails anyways. Mighty is cool and useful, but is it cool and useful enough for the non-trivial server costs? $20-30/month is a lot for a service.

Re: I decided to stop working on Mighty

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Post by Nathanael_M » Sun, Nov 13, 2022, 4:41 PM UTC

searchableguy wrote: post #13

Everyone is pivoting to AI creative tools recently. So much interest and explosion.

In a couple decades people are going to have to radically consider where they find personal value and identity.

Re: I decided to stop working on Mighty

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Post by talhof8 » Sun, Nov 13, 2022, 4:41 PM UTC

peter422 wrote: post #44

talhof8 wrote: post #39

I don't think it's M1 that killed it. Probably high server costs and being a vitamin and not a painkiller killed it. Also, people are not too happy about giving away their browser history data to server-side powered browsers. That being said, it's still sad to see startups fail. Hopefully they'll have better luck with their new direction. Fingers crossed!

Well I think M1 probably put the nail in the coffin but I agree, probably still fails anyways. Mighty is cool and useful, but is it cool and useful enough for the non-trivial server costs? $20-30/month is a lot for a service.

Yup, I agree.

Re: I decided to stop working on Mighty

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Post by landonxjames » Sun, Nov 13, 2022, 4:43 PM UTC

According to the final tweet in that thread [0] it seems like they are pivoting to a sort of AI generated art based social media platform. I’m curious why they think this has the potential to be a “mass market changing” business since the social media world seems pretty over saturated already

[0] https://twitter.com/suhail/status/1591831193598963713

Re: I decided to stop working on Mighty

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Post by robenkleene » Sun, Nov 13, 2022, 4:44 PM UTC

Kiro wrote: post #38

robenkleene wrote: post #30

The trick of Figma claims another. I see Mighty as part of the broader trend of folks thinking Figma it the leading edge of a wider transition to web apps across all creative work. But all forms of coding and media editing (the main tasks that are truly CPU/GPU-bound, the area where something like Mighty would help) have remained as local desktop app affairs. I think what really happened is folks misinterpreted the s…

You say "what really happened" four times with four, to me, unrelated conclusions.

Trying again, there's one point: What really made Figma successful is design moving from being made in "professional software" (like say Photoshop, Premiere, Visual Studio, Maya) to "collaboration software" (like Slack, Google Sheets), and that this was made possible because "flat design" is less technically demanding than the "skeumorphic" design it replaced.

(Sorry I wasn't clearer, I struggle on how to make points like this succinctly without is sounding a bit disjointed.)

Re: I decided to stop working on Mighty

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Post by bombcar » Sun, Nov 13, 2022, 4:45 PM UTC

landonxjames wrote: post #47

According to the final tweet in that thread [0] it seems like they are pivoting to a sort of AI generated art based social media platform. I’m curious why they think this has the potential to be a “mass market changing” business since the social media world seems pretty over saturated already [0] https://twitter.com/suhail/status/1591831193598963713

A cynical take would be something doused in enough buzzwords to prevent the VCs asking for the half of the money that remains back.

Re: I decided to stop working on Mighty

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Post by modeless » Sun, Nov 13, 2022, 4:46 PM UTC

Dreako wrote: post #31

memish wrote: post #22

Good pivot and a humbling reminder for us all. Jonathan Blow on the day this was announced, "Very hard to describe how embarrassing this is for everyone involved in the Web and, sort of, software more generally." https://twitter.com/Jonathan_Blow/status/1387094702139142145 > Wait, Paul Graham supported this? Jonathan: Very vocally, to the point of insulting world-class programmers who think it’s dumb (he did not know…

This happens to literally every startup tho

With different people each time. And some of the people are on the correct side more often than others. It's useful to check afterward and update your priors on who you should be listening to.