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Re: Let's make the web personal again

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Post by btbuildem »

nunez wrote: post #5

If this were true, SquareSpace would be trading way higher than they are now, Twitter wouldn't exist, and Facebook would look a lot like MySpace. My take: people created websites back then because there was no other choice. People RUSHED into MySpace when it got hot partly because of this. Many people don't care about web culture; they only care about consuming. Just like many people don't become screenwriters or dir…

"People only care about consuming" -- it might seem that way to a lazy beholder. The entire digital landscape is engineered for consumption -- of ads, and the products they advertise.

Yet individuals continue to CREATE content on which these parasites piggy-back. We are creatives by nature. The consumption is just one facet; had we built "the internet" out of tools and spaces more suitable for creativity, perhaps this would be more reflected in the general trends. Even now, you can't stem the tide of silly, interesting, creative things people post in these narrow, controlled channels.

Re: Let's make the web personal again

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Post by dimkorf »

nirimda wrote: post #35
nunez wrote: post #5

If this were true, SquareSpace would be trading way higher than they are now, Twitter wouldn't exist, and Facebook would look a lot like MySpace. My take: people created websites back then because there was no other choice. People RUSHED into MySpace when it got hot partly because of this. Many people don't care about web culture; they only care about consuming. Just like many people don't become screenwriters or dir…

> Many people don't care about web culture; they only care about consuming. Strong disagree. People want to participate, they want to be part of a conversation. When you "consume" content on Facebook or Twitter, you can produce content and reasonably expect to get an audience - because you know there's other people there. If you have your own personal website, you have no natural audience. If you're lucky, Google mig…

> People want to participate, they want to be part of a conversation.

Are you potentially speaking for a vocal minority here that wants to be part of a conversation while ignoring the many than simply read (consume)?

Re: Let's make the web personal again

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Post by jwilk »

sodimel wrote: post #28
nickthegreek wrote: post #15

Anyone know how a way to run a personal site for around $50 USD or under a year that can be pointed to a custom domain? My wife does some rug making and wants a portfolio available to show off her art, but we would prefer not to pay $10-20/month for such a site.

Buying an old refubished computer and running whatever web server on a small & efficient linux distro is not really cheap in the beginning (since you've got to spend a few $ to buy the computer that will be a small home server), but in the long term it's really cheap (I spent 50€ in 2017 for an old dell optiplex fx160 on ebay, and it's still running my websites today).

How much do you pay for electricity?

Re: Let's make the web personal again

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Post by hjgjhyuhy »

thesuitonym wrote: post #16
wintermutestwin wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The desktop OS is a dying product. If everyone could do their work on their phones and tablets, they would. Count me out of this brave new world of tiny screens and crappy UI/UX.

Using tablets or phones doesn't necessarily mean tiny screens--although for the life of me, I can't understand why so few companies have put effort into making a phone with a UI that scales for regular screens. (I know they exist, don't sent me examples, thee point is that there are so few of them."

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Re: Let's make the web personal again

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Post by nickthegreek »

preommr wrote: post #34
nickthegreek wrote: post #15

Anyone know how a way to run a personal site for around $50 USD or under a year that can be pointed to a custom domain? My wife does some rug making and wants a portfolio available to show off her art, but we would prefer not to pay $10-20/month for such a site.

$50 ??? If you're slightly technical that should be $1/year for hosting + $10 for domain name registration. I don't know what the best way is now, but a few years ago I set up an s3 bucket that where I basically got charged nothing because the site was I am pretty sure for a very small static site there's probably a handful of options that are basically free. One of gitpages, cloudflare pages, I think have free bandw…

The $50 is because I dont want to have to get a cheap vps and maintain everything. I want to be able to load up a custom theme in some CMS and give her the login credentials.

Re: Let's make the web personal again

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Post by knome »

wintermutestwin wrote: post #11
nunez wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

thanks! agreed. browsers can still talk HTTP/0.9 and HTTP/1.0 (though they largely don't want to, for good reasons) and HTML still works! i loved (LOVED) the old Internet, but time has moved on. that said, Hugo is amazing and I absolutely love it! sidebar now that I'm on this soapbox. i think this is 100% the reason why iOS and macOS will never converge. The desktop OS is a dying product. If everyone could do their w…

> The desktop OS is a dying product. If everyone could do their work on their phones and tablets, they would. Count me out of this brave new world of tiny screens and crappy UI/UX.

I wish I could ignore it. It seems many web designers, even at major companies, don't consider PCs anymore.

Google's new carousel features aren't proper links and don't respond to middle-clicks. If you want to pop out an image into its own tab you have to first click it, then pop it out from their more-info panel.

Azure has similar problems, where listings collapse to nigh unusable sizes on desktop and Ctrl-f is broken horribly since many of their page switches actually just slide the current page to the left while keeping it loaded, so that when you go to search, the interface starts dragging back to hits on the previous page. Not that Ctrl-f really works in the face of the "only load just enough of the content that fits into the undersized box" anyway.

They'll push megabytes of javascript to avoid server-side rendering kilobytes of source, making the whole thing harder to use than it needs to be.

Re: Let's make the web personal again

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Post by CaptArmchair »

lyptt wrote: post #25
wongmjane wrote: post #21

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The source code is really similar Not seeing Brian Lovin’s name in the LICENSE file in Nym either...

Looks like they've claimed Brian Lovin's work as their own, judging by this commit: https://github.com/Nym-HQ/nym/commit/3dda085064e745bd43f8b05...

Yup. 10 commits, first commit was just 4 days ago. Same with their public website & docs. On Github, it's all barely 4 days old.

Brian Lovin has released his work under the MIT license. AFAIK I believe this leaves it open to others to take the code and just run with it.

Even so, looking at their value proposition, it's just a landing page that leads to https://nymhq.com/join where you can subscribe to a "waiting list" to join a server. They claim "Nym is currently in private beta with limited servers, but is accepting waitlist requests now."

The "showcase" on the front page are just content fodder (AI? Web 2/3/5?) with quick, unstyled instances of their blogging software. The rest of that landing page seems to contain a lot of fluff as well.

Frankly, I'm extremely apprehensive about supporting this.

Re: Let's make the web personal again

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Post by nickthegreek »

mxuribe wrote: post #23
nickthegreek wrote: post #15

Anyone know how a way to run a personal site for around $50 USD or under a year that can be pointed to a custom domain? My wife does some rug making and wants a portfolio available to show off her art, but we would prefer not to pay $10-20/month for such a site.

Review hosting providers on the folloiwing site: https://www.lowcostwebhostings.com/ I use digital ocean, but their cost actualy rose a tad bit over the last year, and i have heard that hetzner has better pricing, though i have not yet used them. Again, just take a look at the above site, and can search for a low cost hosting provider. Others leverage github pages, etc...for free, but that seems antithetical to this…

I hate how so many of these are 1 year at this pricing, and then balloon to $9+/mo.

Re: Let's make the web personal again

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Post by fragmede »

nunez wrote: post #7
Affric wrote: post #6

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Good comment. And the old web is still there but for almost 30 years it’s not been where the growth is. 99% of people don’t want computers, they want computers to do the work of life for them so they can get on with what really interest them.

thanks! agreed. browsers can still talk HTTP/0.9 and HTTP/1.0 (though they largely don't want to, for good reasons) and HTML still works! i loved (LOVED) the old Internet, but time has moved on. that said, Hugo is amazing and I absolutely love it! sidebar now that I'm on this soapbox. i think this is 100% the reason why iOS and macOS will never converge. The desktop OS is a dying product. If everyone could do their w…

Desktop not a dying product anymore than cars are a dying product. They are undergoing changes (ICE to EV) and there are alternatives (trains) but they're simply not going away. Desktop OS is for creating digital things. Phones are the way to digitize things that have been created outside of the computer. Phones don't have dual 24" monitors. Dual 24" monitors don't fit in your pocket. Different use cases, with a lot of gray area in between.
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