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Luxury beliefs are status symbols

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Re: Luxury beliefs are status symbols

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The poll options are: 1. Police Departments don't need to be reformed 2. Police departments have a problem with race but the problem can be fixed by reforming the current system 3. Police reform hasn't worked. We need to defund police and reinvent our approach to public safety. I don't like the branding of "defund the police" but I'd still choose 3. Not because I live in an elite gated community and can afford to col…

>Sending untrained people with guns to deal with mental health and or drug addictions is just stupid.

Cops are untrained, but a larger budget would help them train (and hire enough people). I haven't been to San Francisco, but everyone here loves to complain about how it's gone to shit essentially because cops don't enforce any of these things.

Is this accurate? Sounds like more cops would help, rather than less.

Re: Luxury beliefs are status symbols

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A lot of the newly popular ideologies start to make sense when you consider: 1. Peer pressure / virtue signalling / peacockery 2. Replacement guilt/shame hitching a ride on the decline of Christian values 3. Disassociation from reality, either due to physical distance (money) or mental distance (tech enabled social bubble)

> A lot of the newly popular ideologies start to make sense when you consider: > 1. Peer pressure / virtue signalling / peacockery Shouldn't this be less true in a world where we all have anonymous or pseudo-anonymous online personas? I don't need to virtue signal on HN or reddit, I upvote, downvote, and post according to what I actually feel. This compared to 50 years ago where ostensibly if I advocated something co…

1. No, because influence and decision making aren't evenly distributed between online/offline personas. Even if they were, it doesn't change human nature, (most) people need a sense of belonging, a group identity. If anything, virtue signalling appears to be amplified online for likes / follows / etc.

2. Centralized religion may be in decline across much of the world, but that doesn't mean all the ingrained beliefs and associated behaviors are linearly declining along with it. What I see are people adopting new systems of beliefs that replace their religious foundations while keeping many of the associated behaviors intact.

For example, a core aspect of most of the practices of Abrahamic religions is sin followed by guilt, shame, forgiveness and, sometimes, atonement. This process doesn't just disappear, it has inertia that often survives apostasy. I pointed out this process is open to ideological 'hijacking' and replacement by new ideologies which keep the process in place but alter the individual's conscious rationalization for that process's existence.

Re: Luxury beliefs are status symbols

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Even if the larger idea of luxury beliefs is true, the choice of "defund the police" as one is really bizarre to me. No one benefits more from the existence of the police than those who would harbor these luxury beliefs.

Defund the Police actually means "reallocate much of the funding that goes into traditional police agencies into community services better suited/trained to diffuse/mitigate/prevent societal problems" It's just the absolute worst branding possible for the movement.

In my corner of the world, "defund the police" actually means "abolish the police".

Re: Luxury beliefs are status symbols

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> A lot of the newly popular ideologies start to make sense when you consider: > 1. Peer pressure / virtue signalling / peacockery Shouldn't this be less true in a world where we all have anonymous or pseudo-anonymous online personas? I don't need to virtue signal on HN or reddit, I upvote, downvote, and post according to what I actually feel. This compared to 50 years ago where ostensibly if I advocated something co…

1. No, because influence and decision making aren't evenly distributed between online/offline personas. Even if they were, it doesn't change human nature, (most) people need a sense of belonging, a group identity. If anything, virtue signalling appears to be amplified online for likes / follows / etc. 2. Centralized religion may be in decline across much of the world, but that doesn't mean all the ingrained beliefs a…

1. That’s what I’m saying. So-called “virtue signaling” appears strongest online, where it is least relevant, large pseudo-anonymous shout boxes like twitter and FB comments and news article comments. As you mention, most people need group identity. If I have group identity with leftists or whatever then of course I’m going to assert their values even on twitter where nobody is reading my tweets because I’m not famous. So it’s not virtue signaling to a nonexistent reader, it’s asserting a genuinely held belief (vis a vis their believed “membership” as a leftist).

By the virtue signaling thesis, you should see “signaling” most commonly in-person, over email, over text, etc. after all, if virtue signaling isn’t done with your identity, to others who know you, then it’s accomplishing nothing.

my lived experience is exactly the opposite of the virtue signaling thesis, with the exception of corporations (“pride” ads and such, marketing built to signal to popular sentiment)

2. Sorry I really have no idea. As a person in the younger generation without faith, I wasn’t raised going to church, so I can’t really relate. For me there is no “replaced” valued; faith was never present

Re: Luxury beliefs are status symbols

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The author is trying to declare this perspective as elitist rather than address it head on. It's a pretty common political trick to reframe populist views as elitist and vice versa. It allows you to either promote or attack a "dangerous" idea/candidate without having to actually engage with it.

I don’t think he was saying anything about the merits of the ideas and views, rather why some people espouse them.

As for why people espouse them, I grew up in the stereotypical working class family of four. Two parents who weren't always happily married, one sister, and me in an 890 square foot 3 bed, two bath on a tiny lot. It was the largely Black and Hispanic part of a mostly white town with factories and tourist attractions. My dad never graduated college, and my sister did before my mom enrolled.

Let me tell you, the police never did a thing for me but harass me. I was sexually assaulted as a young boy, but of course nobody at the police department would take a child's word over a teenager's. I was stopped in front of my home one night by six cruisers, one officer with a shotgun out, because an off-duty officer saw me swerve within a lane to miss a couple of potholes half an hour earlier. My sister's book of checks were stolen out of our mailbox, and the police found out who did it. My sister was away at university and had her account frozen. She had to beg and borrow money until it all got fixed. But the police refused to release the identity of the thief for a civil suit because "the bank is the only victim". My car was damaged on the high school lot, but the police wouldn't even take a report because the school district should handle it. The school district refused to release the information for the other damaged car because "that would be a violation of a student's privacy". In another town in another state I had a motorcycle stolen. I raised hell with the police and DA's office. It was finally recovered, but they decided not to arrest or prosecute the thief because he returned it. He returned it with about $1200 worth of damage to a $900 street legal, licensed bike. When I went to the DA's office in person to complain, two ADAs had a conversation in front of the waiting room about "that guy with the motorcycle" who "probably let his dealer borrow it and was slow to get it back".

I had plenty of friends coerced into residential rehab for minor drug usage because it was a criminal offense. So rather than going on with their lives or getting some outpatient counseling, they lost their jobs and often their homes. I have a friend who lost a lucrative job with a huge multinational company because he had a breakdown related to his bipolar disorder while at work. He ended up couch surfing a while between jobs until he found another one.

So, yeah, call me elitist. I think money could be better spent actually helping people who need it than sneering at them and threatening them when they're already the victims.

Re: Luxury beliefs are status symbols

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It does mean that now , after a couple years of fervent back-tracking. That was not the initial implication nor inference.

A lot of people have been trying to misdefine and mischaracterize it from the very start. Largely people who get angry at the idea that black lives might matter.

> Largely people who get angry at the idea that black lives might matter.

This is an incredibly disappointing thing to read. Just because you disagree with another on some policy or political notion or another does not justify the belief that they hold a differing view for the most despicable reason you can come up with. Does that make sense?

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