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The fateful, final journey of the Edmund Fitzgerald

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Re: The fateful, final journey of the Edmund Fitzgerald

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I'm a child of the 70s. I grew up with this song being everywhere for a long time, but I never really paid attention, and I lived far from the Great Lakes, so it wasn't until I was an adult that I realized it was about a contemporary disaster and not some long-ago age-of-sail thing.

The song was released in 1976, and details a sinking from only a year before.

Re: The fateful, final journey of the Edmund Fitzgerald

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The most fascinating aspect of the incident to me is that the Edmund Fitzgerald was 728' long and sank in 535 feet of water. One video I saw analyzing the sinking showed that it was possible the ship's bow was forced down hit the bottom with 200' or so still above the surface.

It's not exactly comforting, but in truth the ship broke in two, so that scenario is unlikely.

Re: The fateful, final journey of the Edmund Fitzgerald

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Obligatory link to the Gordon Lightfoot song about this disaster: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FuzTkGyxkYI

What a song — chills me every time. I can’t think of another historical and/or tragedy song that grips me as much as this one.

On a less historical, more personal tragedy level, "Cat's in the Cradle" has always hit me way harder than I would expect (both as a kid and an adult):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat%27s_in_the_Cradle

... gotta make a phone call now ... :-/

Re: The fateful, final journey of the Edmund Fitzgerald

#45
I strongly believe that iron ore liquefaction ultimately proved the ship's demise. More about how this can happen here[1]. The facts all line up:

  - Tons of water likely getting into the cargo hold, wetting it down, especially if the 
    crew didn't take care of shutting the cargo hold top.
  - Lots of rocking back and forth
  - They were carrying tons of iron ore
  - That stuff can absorb a ton of water, then when rocked, let it all loose at once, 
    thus causing a top-heavy rocking motion that will capsize a vessel within minutes.
1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iG_EknYj5go

Re: The fateful, final journey of the Edmund Fitzgerald

#46
Well worth a read, if you're seriously interested:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edmund_Fitzgerald#Maintenance

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edmund_Fitzgerald#Structural_f...

Huge waves (running down the ship's length) obviously put extreme stresses on the hull of a long, thin, heavily-loaded ship. And the Fitzgerald's wreck is broken into two pieces, right in the middle.

Re: The fateful, final journey of the Edmund Fitzgerald

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Obligatory link to the Gordon Lightfoot song about this disaster: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FuzTkGyxkYI

What a song — chills me every time. I can’t think of another historical and/or tragedy song that grips me as much as this one.

As it's listing similar songs time, Genesis' Driving the last spike https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Driving_the_Last_Spike fits in the historical(ish) story as ten minute long popular song territory.

Arguably you could also include Telegraph Road (Dire Straits, 1982) although its story is even more generic.

Re: The fateful, final journey of the Edmund Fitzgerald

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The most fascinating aspect of the incident to me is that the Edmund Fitzgerald was 728' long and sank in 535 feet of water. One video I saw analyzing the sinking showed that it was possible the ship's bow was forced down hit the bottom with 200' or so still above the surface.

If memory serves, the Russian Kursk sank in water less deep than it was long, too. And in one piece.

Re: The fateful, final journey of the Edmund Fitzgerald

#49

The most fascinating aspect of the incident to me is that the Edmund Fitzgerald was 728' long and sank in 535 feet of water. One video I saw analyzing the sinking showed that it was possible the ship's bow was forced down hit the bottom with 200' or so still above the surface.

IANANE (not a Naval Engineer), but that scenario sounds wildly implausible. It's easy to "do" it with a scale model toy, or simplistic geometry - but out in real life, at the size of a lake freighter, the square-cube law is absolutely merciless. Below (very optimistic guess) ~120' depth, the ship's hull can no longer hold air, to provide buoyancy. Recall that the water pressure a few hundred feet down is enough to crush a WWI submarine like an empty beer can in your fist. And lake freighters hulls are not built to anything remotely resembling WWI military submarine standards.

Re: The fateful, final journey of the Edmund Fitzgerald

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If you haven't visited the Great Lakes, it can be hard to fathom how vast they are. They are really more like inland seas than lakes. At its deepest point, Lake Superior is about 1300ft deep, and edge-to-edge it measures about 350 miles across. If Lake Superior were drained, it could cover the entirety of North and South America with a foot of freshwater. The northwestern coast of Michigan and the Upper Peninsula tha…

The most wild thing about the great lakes for me, is that there's enormous islands in the middle which you can visit.

Beaver Island has an entire year-round community. Farms, wineries, a small airport. It was featured on some survival show I caught late at night once.

The Manitou islands used to be inhabited. They have found arrowheads on the island 7000 years old. They went through a logging colony, to a farming colony, to them mostly just a collection of summer cottages, before the state finally bought them and made them a wild camping nature preserve. 5 miles offshore, and within sight of other massive islands which have their own wild histories.

Lastly - South Manitou island has a shipwreck from the 60's along its shore you can still explore and dive.

Mackinac island is another year-round community. No cars are allowed, and the historical forts from the 1800's have been all preserved. It's the only place I've visited which has a real, "Pirates of the Caribbean" feel to it.

Put-in-Bay, where fishermen go to party. There's a lot of these places!

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