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I worked for Elon Musk in the early days of SpaceX

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Re: I worked for Elon Musk in the early days of SpaceX

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Post by Bilal_io »

trentnix wrote: post #22
stormbrew wrote: post #3

This article reads like an abused partner defending their abuser. This kind of double-sidedness is extremely common in abusive relationships, in large part because it's a really effective method of exerting control over someone while encouraging them to blame themselves for being abused. > If there are employees not aligned with that vision, he will chew them out and he will do it in a vicious way, which is his right…

> This article reads like an abused partner defending their abuser. You should read a few stories about working for Steve Jobs (or head to YouTube and watch interviews). This article is extremely mild, in comparison.

Very horrible vs. extremely horrible. Spot the difference.

Re: I worked for Elon Musk in the early days of SpaceX

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Post by numpad0 »

Animats wrote: post #7

Is Musk bipolar?

I think maybe it's not worth much trying to stereotype people into mental diseases to blame for behaviors, until we'd identify the causes and properly characterize those classes. By the way, from what I learn on the Internet, I'd agree with the other comment that he's a jackass.

Re: I worked for Elon Musk in the early days of SpaceX

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Post by woodruffw »

akomtu wrote: post #36
woodruffw wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, just a jackass. Edit: Yes, firing 3000 people with lives and families because you paid an obscene amount of money for a company that you didn’t actually want makes you a jackass.

It was the Twitter's board that forced Musk to buy it.

This is completely backwards. Did Twitter’s board make him make an offer? I don’t go around making multi-billion dollar offers for things I don’t actually want.

Re: I worked for Elon Musk in the early days of SpaceX

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Post by [deleted] »

Alupis wrote: post #13
stormbrew wrote: post #3

This article reads like an abused partner defending their abuser. This kind of double-sidedness is extremely common in abusive relationships, in large part because it's a really effective method of exerting control over someone while encouraging them to blame themselves for being abused. > If there are employees not aligned with that vision, he will chew them out and he will do it in a vicious way, which is his right…

We're all adults, don't like his style, don't work for him. It's that simple. Obviously enough people don't think his style is harsh or vicious, as described in the article, otherwise his numerous companies wouldn't have a line out the door of prospective employees. My take on the article was Musk drives you like a good highschool sports coach. Demanding, hard, unforgiving... and you either live up to the high expect…

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Re: I worked for Elon Musk in the early days of SpaceX

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Post by Alupis »

woodruffw wrote: post #38
Alupis wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Yes, firing 3000 people with lives and families Maybe we need to be more mature. Twitter was very clearly bloated. Laying off the bloat is pretty much status quo for major acquisitions. There is nothing unusual here. Are any of the other major tech companies laying off huge percentages of their workforce also "jackasses"???

It’s not “very clear” to this outsider that Twitter was bloated, not that the firings adhere to any particular “debloating” rationale. Edit: The approach Musk has taken to layoffs also does not evoke maturity.

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Re: I worked for Elon Musk in the early days of SpaceX

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Post by Maursault »

Animats wrote: post #7

Is Musk bipolar?

Type II NPD. Musk has covert narcissism. His recent passive-aggressive posts regarding Starlink and Ukraine, plus blaming activists for advertisers leaving Twitter, gives it away. Passive-aggressiveness and blaming are particularly common to Type II. Seeing those, we wouldn't need to look too hard for other Type II NPD symptoms, such public generosity along with being cruel in private, being intolerant of or oversensitive to criticism, smugness, self-absorbtion, self-criticsm, shyness, perfectionism, holding grudges, and all types have strong denial and low empathy. Though if Musk often engages in humiliating others, I have it wrong; that's Type III, toxic. Usually successful individuals will get NPD buttoned up along with becoming fit even though denial is very difficult to overcome.

What would make you think he was bipolar? There are other symptoms, but BPD requires depressions and manias.

Re: I worked for Elon Musk in the early days of SpaceX

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Post by trentnix »

Bilal_io wrote: post #41
trentnix wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This article reads like an abused partner defending their abuser. You should read a few stories about working for Steve Jobs (or head to YouTube and watch interviews). This article is extremely mild, in comparison.

Very horrible vs. extremely horrible. Spot the difference.

If I were younger, I’d work for either of them. I’m not fragile.

Re: I worked for Elon Musk in the early days of SpaceX

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Post by beenBoutIT »

It'll be interesting to see how Musk handles negative sentiment regarding him and his IP trending. Stories about burning Teslas and Tesla wrecks trending will be a thing of the past.

On the flip side, boosting the visibility of pro Musk IP content is an inevitability along with unfairly boosting Tesla stock and never-ending SEC investigations.

Re: I worked for Elon Musk in the early days of SpaceX

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Post by mwint »

Alupis wrote: post #23
agumonkey wrote: post #18

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Kinda agreeing, but I have to say sometimes there's a thin line between sport coach and bad leader. You gotta ensure tact and fairness.

I think given Elon's obvious numerous successes, despite this latest frenzy of "Musk Bad", he's objectively a great leader. You do not get to where he is by being a bad leader. His entire job is leading, despite what people like to think (ie. that he's actually designing rockets or whatever...)

I’d say Musk is the rare combination of a great leader, who also has the ability to learn arbitrary subjects quickly enough to tell whether he’s being bullshitted.

Re: I worked for Elon Musk in the early days of SpaceX

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Post by glogla »

friendlyHornet wrote: post #34
sandworm101 wrote: post #11

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The guy has money and acolytes in high places. Quit if you want, but dont make an enemy of someone who can blacklist you. Just leave. Dont make a scene.

This. We're talking about a guy who publicly falsely accused a guy he was jealous of of being a pedo without evidence. Just imagine what he would do if he could get away with it without backlash I wouldn't want to gez on his bad side because I think he has the power and pettiness to ruin my life

You can grovel in front of an abuser, giving up all human dignity, if you want. In the end, he is just a man, and evil one at that.
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