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San Francisco: The reckoning is here

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Re: San Francisco: The reckoning is here

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Post by recursive »

hindsightbias wrote: post #23
reidjs wrote: post #11

I'm not so sure things are as dire as the article makes them out to be. As long as you avoid soma, lower nob hill, civic center, fidi, and the tenderloin it's been a great place to live during/after the pandemic. Rent is actually cheaper than pre-pandemic, the city is still super walkable and bikeable, there are more than enough bars, restaurants, and live events every weekend to keep me busy and then some. Shameless…

The first rule of SF should be that you should not talk about this. Better to repeat the dystopian hellscape meme to dissuade the locusts. But good luck with the cast.

But you're not a locust, right?

Re: San Francisco: The reckoning is here

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seanmcdirmid wrote: post #38
hindsightbias wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The first rule of SF should be that you should not talk about this. Better to repeat the dystopian hellscape meme to dissuade the locusts. But good luck with the cast.

> The first rule of SF should be that you should not talk about this. Better to repeat the dystopian hellscape meme to dissuade the locusts. This is also the first rule of Seattle: mention how much it rains, how the homeless have taken over, and maybe earthquakes and volcanoes. Anything to dissuade more people from moving here.

So the car window smashers are actually doing a public service.

Re: San Francisco: The reckoning is here

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Post by muaytimbo »

pmonks wrote: post #35
dilap wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

During the pandemic, SF had in-person schooling at private schools, but not in public schools. This continued long after it was clear that (a) in person schooling was not a significant risk and (b) remote education was not adequate. (You're basically insane if you think sitting on videochat hours a day, with no in-person contact with other children, is in any way a healthy lifestyle for an elementary-school aged kid.…

This is 100% false. Source: I know many families with kids in various private schools in SF, and not one of them had uninterrupted in-person learning throughout the pandemic. That said, SF public schools were slower to reopen to in-person learning than private schools, which seems to me to have mostly been due to pushback by the SFUSD teacher’s union (who, imvho, responded to this crisis poorly).

Lol: “Source, I know a guy.”

Re: San Francisco: The reckoning is here

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

recursive wrote: post #42
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The first rule of SF should be that you should not talk about this. Better to repeat the dystopian hellscape meme to dissuade the locusts. This is also the first rule of Seattle: mention how much it rains, how the homeless have taken over, and maybe earthquakes and volcanoes. Anything to dissuade more people from moving here.

So the car window smashers are actually doing a public service.

On street parking really sucks! Don't buy/maintain a car if you don't have a real parking spot for it. That would also keep the traffic down.

Re: San Francisco: The reckoning is here

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Post by pmonks »

dilap wrote: post #36
pmonks wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is 100% false. Source: I know many families with kids in various private schools in SF, and not one of them had uninterrupted in-person learning throughout the pandemic. That said, SF public schools were slower to reopen to in-person learning than private schools, which seems to me to have mostly been due to pushback by the SFUSD teacher’s union (who, imvho, responded to this crisis poorly).

I wasn't intending to claim that there were no interruptions at all to in-person learning in private schools, but rather, that for much of the pandemic private schools were open and public schools were closed. My dad and his wife had to switch my half-sister to private school, so she could attend in person. I have never seen a kid so happy to go to school...

You literally said:

> During the pandemic, SF had in-person schooling at private schools, but not in public schools.

This is patently false. All of the private schools in SF that I’m aware of switched to remote learning from March 2020 to the end of that school year, and many had “hybrid” models (e.g. alternating one week in-person, one week remote) when they resumed in August / September.

Re: San Francisco: The reckoning is here

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Post by pmonks »

muaytimbo wrote: post #43
pmonks wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is 100% false. Source: I know many families with kids in various private schools in SF, and not one of them had uninterrupted in-person learning throughout the pandemic. That said, SF public schools were slower to reopen to in-person learning than private schools, which seems to me to have mostly been due to pushback by the SFUSD teacher’s union (who, imvho, responded to this crisis poorly).

Lol: “Source, I know a guy.”

My own family was one of them.

Re: San Francisco: The reckoning is here

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Post by recursive »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #44
recursive wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So the car window smashers are actually doing a public service.

On street parking really sucks! Don't buy/maintain a car if you don't have a real parking spot for it. That would also keep the traffic down.

I do have a real parking spot for it. At my home. In a whole other state. The mistake I made was visiting my friend. I wasn't aware of the out-of-town window smashing policy.

Re: San Francisco: The reckoning is here

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Post by pmonks »

muaytimbo wrote: post #47
pmonks wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My own family was one of them.

So when you said, “I know many families” you actually meant “here is my anecdotal experience?”

Nope. I literally meant what I wrote - that I do, in fact, know enough families in the city to personally know what happened at most of the schools, both public and private, in the city.

Recall that SF isn’t that big a city - only 800,000 people (and with a low %age of children to boot) - so there aren’t that many schools in the city.

[edit] it’s also the case that the only variation in response was on the private school side - SFUSD took a monolithic approach to their schools (which are the greatest in number and have most of the students in the city)

Re: San Francisco: The reckoning is here

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Post by dilap »

pmonks wrote: post #45
dilap wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wasn't intending to claim that there were no interruptions at all to in-person learning in private schools, but rather, that for much of the pandemic private schools were open and public schools were closed. My dad and his wife had to switch my half-sister to private school, so she could attend in person. I have never seen a kid so happy to go to school...

You literally said: > During the pandemic, SF had in-person schooling at private schools, but not in public schools. This is patently false. All of the private schools in SF that I’m aware of switched to remote learning from March 2020 to the end of that school year, and many had “hybrid” models (e.g. alternating one week in-person, one week remote) when they resumed in August / September.

I don't feel like you're making a good faith effort to understand me...
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