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Building consistent habits and working to streamline your life can mitigate some of the negative effects. Just getting exercise really helps me. Stepping back and looking at the big picture, there will always be an effect on my life from having ADHD, but I do have influence. Focusing on the things you can control is important.

If you think exercise or some good habits significantly changes ADHD you don't know what ADHD is, sorry. I do both, does not change my ADHD at all (it has other benefits surely)

> If you think exercise or some good habits significantly changes ADHD you don't know what ADHD is, sorry.

I think this is uncalled for, especially when in your very next sentence you clarify that you’re speaking about your own experience. Everyone’s can be different.

Re: Launch HN: Shimmer (YC S21) – ADHD coaching for adults

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I'm an adult with ADHD but this doesn't appeal to me because I've already found behavioral techniques that work really well for ~free.

I'll try and describe one briefly: I use a free app called Virtual Motivaider[1] to make my phone vibrate every 2 to 6 minutes. I'll print a sheet[2] that has a table with two columns. Every row is the same: the first column has the text "Am I on Task?" and the second column has two check boxes, "[ ] Yes [ ] No". When I start a task that I typically struggle to hold my attention to, I start the app, and when I feel the vibration, I check off if I was on task or not. I picked the 2 to 6 minutes interval arbitrarily; there could be many other intervals that work just as well. There's also probably other apps out there that just vibrate at a user-set interval.

This has worked extremely well for me. It seems that just recording a behavior can increase it or decrease it in the direction that you want.

I learned about this from a textbook called "Applied Behavior Analysis" by Cooper et al, in a chapter titled "Self-Management". If my technique (technically known as "self-monitoring of attention" or "self-monitoring of on task behavior") sounds interesting, I would recommend finding a pdf of that book and reading that chapter. It has some vocabulary that's defined earlier in the book, so you can just look them up in the index or glossary as you read. The book and the field it hails from can be annoyingly dogmatic, though.

I'll stop talking about it for now, but I do like to share this whenever adult ADHD comes up because its helped me dramatically, and much more so than any professionally-run special education program I was in or popular psychology book about habits or getting things done. OP, I haven't looked at your app or page too deeply so maybe you're already doing something like this or other behavioral techniques, but if you're not, it might be worth checking out.

[1] The company that made Virtual Motivaider also sells (well, they stopped producing them because of COVID difficulties, but they're currently trying to get them back) a physical product called Motivaider. It looks like a digital kitchen timer but it just does the same thing as the app. I bought one after using the app for some time, and while the app worked very well, the physical product has some nice benefits, like a very distinct and quiet vibration, and a lot less friction to start a new session.

[2] Printing out new sheets for each task, or printing out a lot and then having to get one for each task, turned out to be pretty inconvenient, so I've since compressed the table into a 2 row by 15 column one, where in the first column the first row has a "Y" and the second one has an "N". The rest of the columns are for putting an x in the Y or N row. I fit 6 of these in a 6 x 9 inch document, made a pdf of 100 of these pages, then used a print on demand service to print a spiral bound book of it, which I carry with me between work and home. This has eliminated a ton of friction and I've ended up using this technique much more often.

Re: Launch HN: Shimmer (YC S21) – ADHD coaching for adults

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The app let me attempt to log in once, and now after hard restarting it, it’s not proceeding past the splash screen. I’m on an iPhone SE 3rd Gen running iOS 16.1.

Hmm so when you logged in you couldn't move past the splash screen the first time? I can take a look at our backend to see what the issue may be, but if you'd like we can communicate via our support email at support@shimmer.care to help get this issue resolved sooner

Seems to have resolved itself now, appreciate the follow up.

Re: Launch HN: Shimmer (YC S21) – ADHD coaching for adults

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Hmm so when you logged in you couldn't move past the splash screen the first time? I can take a look at our backend to see what the issue may be, but if you'd like we can communicate via our support email at support@shimmer.care to help get this issue resolved sooner

Seems to have resolved itself now, appreciate the follow up.

I'm glad it's working now. Thank you so much for checking us out and signing up!

Re: Launch HN: Shimmer (YC S21) – ADHD coaching for adults

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Exercise manages symptoms, it’s not a cure. Honestly if you have adhd I would stop coming to HN. It’s a distraction and the nature of it requires you to constantly check in.

Exercise manages ZERO ADHD symptoms. I can tell you between times of almost zero exercise and anything from once to five times a week the ADHD was not affected. Telling me to stop coming to HN is like telling a drug addict to just not take drugs. Even if I block HN, I will just be distracted by something else.

This!.

I ride my bike LITERALLY 1,000 miles a month. ADHD is not mitigated by this - only my focus on depression is... and still... that doesnt relieve it.

Re: Launch HN: Shimmer (YC S21) – ADHD coaching for adults

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"ADHD" needs a rebranding... move away from clinical diagnosis from medical professionals which can be "heartbreaking" or "liberating" to coaches/advisors running community groups which build frameworks for these like minded, like personality individuals (and their associated family/friends) to operate in (like a 'club') and to help educate others (advocacy). People with "ADHD" are already covered by the Big Five Per…

Agree on the rebranding. Thank you for your positivity & inclusivity!! Apologize if the "heartbreaking" and "liberating" language felt a bit dramatic (I am a bit dramatic...), but it really did feel that way for me after living my whole life feeling like I was constantly doing everything wrong. Ever since slowly going deeper and deeper into the ADHD community, the positive spark of the community is undeniably special…

Thanks for the nice reply and congrats on the launch!

Re: Launch HN: Shimmer (YC S21) – ADHD coaching for adults

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post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you think exercise or some good habits significantly changes ADHD you don't know what ADHD is, sorry. I do both, does not change my ADHD at all (it has other benefits surely)

> If you think exercise or some good habits significantly changes ADHD you don't know what ADHD is, sorry. I think this is uncalled for, especially when in your very next sentence you clarify that you’re speaking about your own experience. Everyone’s can be different.

It is not! What is uncalled for is telling someone with a serious health condition that is NOT changed by some exercise that it would be.

Re: Launch HN: Shimmer (YC S21) – ADHD coaching for adults

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Im really surprised to see the intense skepticism here. As someone who is just stumbling into this world and studying ADHD as an otherwise successful adult, Chris’ description (and $99 price frankly) resonated with me and made me think I might be in the target market. Even one of his responses to someone thanking someone for feedback is being downvoted. Is there a connotation of ADHD being associated with snake-oil o…

> Is there a connotation of ADHD being associated with snake-oil or scams that I’m not familiar with?

Yes. Well, not really snake-oil, but this spaces is definitely associated with low-effort pill mills and broken marketing promises.

Therapy is hard. Doing it at scale is nearly impossible. Doing it at scale at a price point consumers expect is literally impossible. As a result, you end up with a bunch of "mental health" "tech" companies that are making big promises, but essentially just putting their patients through checkboxes.

Re: Launch HN: Shimmer (YC S21) – ADHD coaching for adults

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Im really surprised to see the intense skepticism here. As someone who is just stumbling into this world and studying ADHD as an otherwise successful adult, Chris’ description (and $99 price frankly) resonated with me and made me think I might be in the target market. Even one of his responses to someone thanking someone for feedback is being downvoted. Is there a connotation of ADHD being associated with snake-oil o…

Same. As someone well off with inattentive type ADHD, 99$ is money I wouldn't mind throwing away for a shot at getting better with the daily issues I face. And then if it works progressing to something more expensive is also not a problem.

In my case the issue is that despite having a growth mindset for learning pretty much anything, in the case of ADHD stuff I've been trying for so long to fix myself that it feels like I'll never be able to. And that trying out this service and making efforts would be more draining than living with the symptoms is.

I realise that's not true so I could force myself to do it, it's just what I feel.

Going to go talk with an ADHD specialized psychologist this month and will see if a service like this can be extra help perhaps.

Re: Launch HN: Shimmer (YC S21) – ADHD coaching for adults

#50

I like the site but it seems overpriced - a good therapist is cheaper and can do the same thing. A psychologist and psychiatrist can both clinically diagnose you and give you pharmaceuticals if needed at prices similar to the ones mentioned if you have insurance. Personally I would argue from working with some kids who have adhd in the past that more gamification and reasons to use their phone will exacerbate some of…

> I like the site but it seems overpriced - a good therapist is cheaper and can do the same thing.

These ADHD coaching services come up a lot, and this is the general advice I give out:

Always start with your insurance options first. Many people are surprised to learn that they can get therapy (for ADHD or otherwise) for as little as $10-20 per session through their normal health insurance. Telehealth has been normalized, too, so it's likely you can do it from home.

Always check insurance first to evaluate costs. Consider how deductibles play out through the course of the year, too. This coaching service is a lot to pay out of pocket relative to what many people in tech would expect to pay with insurance involved.

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