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Re: Create - A new kind of web editing interface

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Post by jordanlev »

secure wrote: post #3

It's obviously in its early stages, but I like the idea. Seems obvious that editing websites in the website itself is much more straight-forward than using some kind of backend (for small-scale CMS).

It is obvious once you start using something like this (and especially when you see how happy non-technical users are about how much more in control they feel with their website because they actually understand what they're doing). I've had a lot of success over the past year or so using Concrete5 (an open source PHP CMS), which works in this way.

Re: Create - A new kind of web editing interface

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Post by bergie »

asolove wrote: post #4

Inline editing is quite nice. I wonder if I am missing something about this: it seems to only offer italic/bold/underline/strike-through and no structural options? Plug-and-play inline editing for various CMSs would be nice. If this had more features, I could see using it with a structured, lightweight CMS like Perch [1] to edit structured content inline with the published pages. [1] http://grabaperch.com/

Author of Create here. The demo uses a minimal configuration of the Hallo editor. You can also enable block-level formatting, and there is a quite nice image and link plugin coming soon from the nice people at Liip.

Aside from Hallo, Create also supports Aloha Editor (http://aloha-editor.org/)

Re: Create - A new kind of web editing interface

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Post by bergie »

veb wrote: post #8
asolove wrote: post #4

Inline editing is quite nice. I wonder if I am missing something about this: it seems to only offer italic/bold/underline/strike-through and no structural options? Plug-and-play inline editing for various CMSs would be nice. If this had more features, I could see using it with a structured, lightweight CMS like Perch [1] to edit structured content inline with the published pages. [1] http://grabaperch.com/

Does it need structural options? At work, I'm supposed to change a lot of our existing websites over to "Wordpress CMS" because it'll make it easier for the admin staff to modify the website, for updates and such. The problem is, they need to locate the login then they need to remember their account info, then they need to find the right page they want to modify, then they have to do a bunch of other clicks to get wh…

Email is actually a perfectly valid web publishing protocol. We've done quite a lot of systems where clients can publish news items by just mailing them to a certain mailbox.

And http://www.deathmonkey.org/ was completely produced by sending emails from (old, pre-iPhone) smartphones on the road.

Re: Create - A new kind of web editing interface

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Post by bergie »

lux wrote: post #39
asolove wrote: post #4

Inline editing is quite nice. I wonder if I am missing something about this: it seems to only offer italic/bold/underline/strike-through and no structural options? Plug-and-play inline editing for various CMSs would be nice. If this had more features, I could see using it with a structured, lightweight CMS like Perch [1] to edit structured content inline with the published pages. [1] http://grabaperch.com/

Looks like you're right about the i/b/u/s options. Definitely needs a few more (link for one), but looks like a cool start at least. I like that it's client-side and works with a simple Backbone.sync back end.

Take a local checkout of https://github.com/bergie/hallo and try the example there. You'll have a lot more formatting options.

We will have a hack weekend on Create in January in Zurich, and hopefully after that I'll update the demo setup with a lot more features enabled (formatting, images, workflows, etc)

Re: Create - A new kind of web editing interface

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Post by bergie »

lukeholder wrote: post #12

Please check out mercury editor. Much nicer and active development. http://jejacks0n.github.com/mercury/ other notable and far more advanced (over create): Aloha Editor http://www.aloha-editor.org/

Create actually is not a WYSIWYG editor, but instead provides the CMS framework around it (objects, persistence, workflows).

Currently we support Hallo (as used in the demo) and Aloha Editor, but I'd love to have Mercury there too. Take a look at the editable widget to see where it could be added:

https://github.com/bergie/create/blob/master/src/jquery.Midg...

Re: Create - A new kind of web editing interface

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Post by lux »

bergie wrote: post #44
lux wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Looks like you're right about the i/b/u/s options. Definitely needs a few more (link for one), but looks like a cool start at least. I like that it's client-side and works with a simple Backbone.sync back end.

Take a local checkout of https://github.com/bergie/hallo and try the example there. You'll have a lot more formatting options. We will have a hack weekend on Create in January in Zurich, and hopefully after that I'll update the demo setup with a lot more features enabled (formatting, images, workflows, etc)

Sweet! Looks like it's skinnable too, is that true? That would be awesome.

What would also be awesome is a simple way to add options yourself via callbacks in JS.

Re: Create - A new kind of web editing interface

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Post by bergie »

Turing_Machine wrote: post #25
lukeholder wrote: post #12

Please check out mercury editor. Much nicer and active development. http://jejacks0n.github.com/mercury/ other notable and far more advanced (over create): Aloha Editor http://www.aloha-editor.org/

Thanks for all of these (and to the original poster, too). As it happens, I just started looking at editors for a mobile application. Some instant thoughts: Create seems to work fine on the iPad. Mercury sort of works, but kept switching out of edit mode for some reason. Aloha didn't seem to work at all. As with some of the other commenters, I'm not wild about having the editor tied to a Rails backend (I didn't explo…

Create only requires two things:

* Your web system has to publish content with RDFa annotations * You need to have some API you can connect to Backbone.sync

...and even the latter isn't so bad, as Backbone.sync can be overridden in your local implementation. For example, we use the same stuff with Socket.IO instead of REST: https://github.com/IKS/ViePalsu/blob/master/js/contentmanage...

Re: Create - A new kind of web editing interface

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Post by lux »

lux wrote: post #46
bergie wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Take a local checkout of https://github.com/bergie/hallo and try the example there. You'll have a lot more formatting options. We will have a hack weekend on Create in January in Zurich, and hopefully after that I'll update the demo setup with a lot more features enabled (formatting, images, workflows, etc)

Sweet! Looks like it's skinnable too, is that true? That would be awesome. What would also be awesome is a simple way to add options yourself via callbacks in JS.

Looks like you can write plugins :)

Re: Create - A new kind of web editing interface

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Post by bergie »

arnorhs wrote: post #26

There is precisely nothing new about this idea, even though this code might be fresher. It would be interesting to hear how this thing addresses some of the shortcomings of the other inline editing components out there and how this is better.

It is certainly not a new idea, even we did our first implementation years ago. The main new thing here is that Create is completely backend-agnostic, only using RDFa to communicate content structure from server to editing interface, and Backbone.sync to communicate changes back to the server.

But apart from that, what sort of shortcomings are you particularly concerned about?

Re: Create - A new kind of web editing interface

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Post by bergie »

nvictor wrote: post #29

many people already suggested that the idea is not novel. this implementation doesn't add what i wish we had in a modern inline content editing framework: structure. wikis had it for a while now. [[newpage]] anyone? i am wondering how difficult it would be to take wikis out of their textareas. the other concern is naturally security.

Structure is not in the demo, but Create does support relations. So if you for example have a collection of resources (say, an event list or list of blog entries), it knows how to add/remove them.

As for linking, there is a group within the project working on that. I hope we'll have something to show on that in Jan.

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