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Why are so many babies born around 8:00 AM? (2017)

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Re: Why are so many babies born around 8:00 AM? (2017)

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The answer is scheduled C-sections and if you haven't read it, Atul Gawande's 2006 New Yorker article on why they've become so common is good read: https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2006/10/09/the-score After watching The Business of Being Born , Gawande's article was really helpful in understanding why things are done the way they are.

Great article, thanks for sharing. Reading this while my wife is in week 40 of the pregnancy..

Re: Why are so many babies born around 8:00 AM? (2017)

#42

How labor and delivery doctors treat women is criminal. A hospital should not be a butcher shop.

Have you ever actually been in a labor and delivery room with someone getting a c section?

I was literally 3 days ago. And "butcher shop" is nowhere close to how I describe it.

Re: Why are so many babies born around 8:00 AM? (2017)

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post #26

I witnessed this phenomenon first-hand when my second child was born and during the labor, which was not exceptionally long, only 7 hours, the doctor started making "this is not progressing" noises toward 5pm and I had to sternly tell him to fuck right off. Based on a strip chart of the time between contractions the labor was clearly making normal, bordering on rapid, progress. Doctors are pretty much dicks, and the…

I think that in this case, the TA is the system. There should be no issue with changing the doctor with the shift.

Re: Why are so many babies born around 8:00 AM? (2017)

#44

Also related and shown in the diagrams in the linked article, why are so many babies born on Friday, and less on Saturday? Doctors/nurses want their weekends too, so inducements / c-sections also go up on Fridays. Says the dad of the child born at 4pm on a Friday...

I wonder if this is correlated at all with the fact that ERs are much busier on the weekend

Re: Why are so many babies born around 8:00 AM? (2017)

#45

How labor and delivery doctors treat women is criminal. A hospital should not be a butcher shop.

You mean a generally-recommended-as-medically-necessary-only procedure that would result in far more complications were it not performed? And anyway, people get surgeries all the time, how is this any different?

> You mean a generally-recommended-as-medically-necessary-only procedure that would result in far more complications were it not performed?

A Caesarean is often performed even when it is not medically necessary. Hence "why are so many babies born around 8:00 AM"? Additionally, above a certain rate in industrialized countries, they are not even associated with better birth outcomes.

> And anyway, people get surgeries all the time, how is this any different?

Because childbirth is not an injury or deformity that requires fixing (or any intervention) in the large majority of cases. Surgery should be done when medically necessary. A Caesarean has many potential side effects for the mother and the infant, and doing it just to hurry things up is (IMO) unethical.

Re: Why are so many babies born around 8:00 AM? (2017)

#47

How labor and delivery doctors treat women is criminal. A hospital should not be a butcher shop.

You mean a generally-recommended-as-medically-necessary-only procedure that would result in far more complications were it not performed? And anyway, people get surgeries all the time, how is this any different?

In times and in countries the number of C sections have varied widely from "you might as well get it because it's quick and safe" to "nobody should have one unless they are literally carrying Julius Caesar".

And poking the "birth options bear" is not something you want to do unless you're really in for a fight. There are strong opinions available.

Re: Why are so many babies born around 8:00 AM? (2017)

#48
post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nah, in completely socialized systems doctors and nurses also usually want to have weekends and evenings off, hospitals aren't staffed as well as during business hours, and people try to limit the workload on their colleagues remaining on duty.

The contrast to "the US hospital business" is not necessarily "socialized systems". A better contrast is, as the original commenter pointed out, birthing centers (or home births). A contrast to a hospital OBGYN in the US is a certified nurse midwife.

Even midwife systems often end up with a "ball of midwives" where you may not even know who you're going to get, and then they go off the clock at 6 PM and someone new steps in.

Everything is a cost/benefit/availability tradeoff, and time is just one of the many variables that are being juggled.

Of course, if you have money to throw at the problem you can reduce the other issues.

Re: Why are so many babies born around 8:00 AM? (2017)

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post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

File a grievance with a regulatory body.

That's fucking hilarious. I filed a grievance when the medical professionals performed care on me against my (fully conscious and alert) consent, without a warrant, and without a court order nor arrest -- at the direction of a federal officer who had me "detained" but not "arrested" because there was no probable cause of a crime. I wrote an incredibly detailed, 100 page report with several witnesses painstakingly des…

> . I filed a grievance when the medical professionals performed care on me against my (fully conscious and alert) consent, without a warrant, and without a court order nor arrest -- at the direction of a federal officer who had me "detained" but not "arrested" because there was no probable cause of a crime.

That’s more of a civil battery (and possibly also federal civil rights) lawsuit than a professional complaint situation.

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