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Remix web framework aquired by Shopify

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Re: Remix web framework aquired by Shopify

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Post by btown »

Existenceblinks wrote: post #39
jspash wrote: post #11

There seems to be a disconnect between what Shopify do internally and what they ask of their users. With Hydrogen and now Remix you would think they have their sh*t together. But when the official docs recommend that you inline jquery click handlers for a simple adjustment to their shop, I just don't know what to think. All in all the Shopify dev experience for me is on par with Wordpress. I hold my nose and cash the…

I wouldn't be surprised if they swap out liquid and its json based layout config .. despite they keep saying everything is doing great. New gen developer probably got gaslit by React vibe and demands change (admittedly I made this shit up)

This acquisition is very much in the context of https://hydrogen.shopify.dev/roadmap/#first-quarter and https://github.com/Shopify/hydrogen - Shopify very much wants to move to the modern era.

And to address your point, it's not gaslighting to say that React enables interactions that would be essentially impossible if restricted to server-side templating. But there's certainly some degree to which trendiness and a desire to attract developers into their ecosystem is driving this as well.

Re: Remix web framework aquired by Shopify

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Post by evtothedev »

emadabdulrahim wrote: post #38

This is huge. Remix is my favorite React framework at the moment. It is by far the best abstraction I've seen of client/server model. Their API abstraction layer is just right, working with native browser and nodejs APIs, not obscure them. Typescript support is amazing. I'd bet my money on Remix model and direction vs Nextjs

> I'd bet my money on Remix model and direction vs Nextjs

With Nextjs 13, the patterns are actually kind of converge. See this whole thread from Ryan at Remix with his thoughts on it: https://twitter.com/ryanflorence/status/1586820806625046529

Re: Remix web framework aquired by Shopify

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Post by BryanBeshore »

Existenceblinks wrote: post #39
jspash wrote: post #11

There seems to be a disconnect between what Shopify do internally and what they ask of their users. With Hydrogen and now Remix you would think they have their sh*t together. But when the official docs recommend that you inline jquery click handlers for a simple adjustment to their shop, I just don't know what to think. All in all the Shopify dev experience for me is on par with Wordpress. I hold my nose and cash the…

I wouldn't be surprised if they swap out liquid and its json based layout config .. despite they keep saying everything is doing great. New gen developer probably got gaslit by React vibe and demands change (admittedly I made this shit up)

FWIW: Tobi mentioned that if he had to do it all over again, he would still build the admin and business logic of Shopify in Ruby on Rails, but would probably build their liquid rendering in Rust or something like it

https://twitter.com/tobi/status/1585459224506671104?s=20&t=0...

Re: Remix web framework aquired by Shopify

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Post by colinramsay »

jacquesc wrote: post #37

Anyone currently using Remix in a production app? Read through the docs and it seems pretty interesting. Can't really get a sense for how stable it is though. I know from prior use of React Router, the maintainers love the big rewrites between major version numbers.

Yes. The use of loaders and actions blurs the lines between client and server. It's really productive. There are a few gaps that need filling, one that comes to mind is internationalisation [1]

I am very surprised that NextJS has left it so long to consider mutations - they're apparently coming up with an RFC on that but it seems to be somewhat behind closed doors.

[1] https://github.com/remix-run/remix/discussions/2877

Re: Remix web framework aquired by Shopify

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Post by dewey »

leviathant wrote: post #35
dmix wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's often a disconnect between the technical staff who write customer-facing documentation vs the backend engineering teams. Often the technical writers will be working closely with real customers. The customers will come to them 90% of the time with hacky custom jQuery stores + the support staff won't be highly skilled Front-end engineers (usually a junior-dev grasp of JS/web dev).

Shopify likes to brag about having 4,000 developers. Given the output of the company - that comes across to me as bloat.

Judging the visible output as a metric for how many developers a company needs is very naive.

Think about the teams that don't directly interact with the outside like infrastructure, business intelligence, hiring (onboarding tools), internal tooling, all the work they do on Ruby (https://shopify.engineering/shopify-ruby-at-scale-research-i...).

Re: Remix web framework aquired by Shopify

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Post by dubcanada »

jspash wrote: post #11

There seems to be a disconnect between what Shopify do internally and what they ask of their users. With Hydrogen and now Remix you would think they have their sh*t together. But when the official docs recommend that you inline jquery click handlers for a simple adjustment to their shop, I just don't know what to think. All in all the Shopify dev experience for me is on par with Wordpress. I hold my nose and cash the…

Why do you feel that way?

What is wrong with a quick inline jquery click handler? What part of web development requires webpack + react + tailwindcss + a bunch of random packages that provide 1 function? Sometimes people just want to get stuff done, and doing a simple $('.cart').on('click', () => {}); does the job.

If you want to get fancy as another user posted, use the full API suite and do it all yourself. It's robust and rather friendly to integrate with.

Re: Remix web framework aquired by Shopify

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Post by jahewson »

emadabdulrahim wrote: post #38

This is huge. Remix is my favorite React framework at the moment. It is by far the best abstraction I've seen of client/server model. Their API abstraction layer is just right, working with native browser and nodejs APIs, not obscure them. Typescript support is amazing. I'd bet my money on Remix model and direction vs Nextjs

Vercel already ate Remix’s lunch.
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