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Re: Solarized

#42
Does someone know of a tool that helps to generate the themes for the individual applications based on your preferred color scheme? I am currently using Dracula (https://draculatheme.com/) as color scheme. Not that it is my favourite color scheme (actually I don’t like it’s colours at all), but the fact that the creator is providing ready to use themes for almost every application is the main reason for me to use it. I want a consistent look across all of my applications.

Re: Solarized

#44
post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m a weird freakish anomaly that actually prefers lighter color schemes. I’ve found that, with some tweaks, the default light scheme in Sublime Text to be pretty awesome. It’s calle Breakers. The greys are a little too light, but I find there is a bit more contrast than Solarized.

Dark mode isn't necessary better for your eyes than light mode [1]. I prefer a consistent lightning more, and that is often easier done with light mode. Although, this is getting better since more and more sites and apps implement it. However, not all, this results in sometimes being surprised by a white flash after browsing through some darker sites. 1: https://www.allaboutvision.com/digital-eye-strain/is-dark-mo...

A while back, Eliot Miranda posted a detailed message for dark theme users on the squeak-dev mailing list. This is what he wrote:

Hi Dark Themers, in an earlier life I worked in optics, designing holographic cameras for bubble chamber physics, so I know a little about focussing systems and depth of field. The iris in the eye expands or contracts to allow or restrict the amount of light entering the eye, attempting to maintain a constant luminosity on the retina so that either not too little, or not too much light falls on the cones and rods in the retina. When the iris is dilated (open) the eye allows as much light as possible into it. You can visualize the light from a point (say a pixel) that reaches the iris as a cone. The lens in the eye focuses this expanding cone back into a contracting one that comes to a point on the retina corresponding to the position of the pixel "out there on the screen".

Focusing is achieved by a muscle around the eye's flexible lens, the cillary muscle, which squeezes the lens into a more spherical shape to cause rays entering the eye to bend more, brings no objects closer to the eye into focus, or by the cillary muscle relaxing, allowing the lens to stretch back to a flatter shape, to bend rays less, bringing objects further away into focus. In old age shortsightedness is caused by the lens loosing its elasticity and remaining squeezed, and longsightedness by it losing flexibility and the cillary muscle losing strength so that the lens cannot be squeezed as much. By the time we hit our 40's many of us will suffer one of these two extremes and have to wear glasses either for reading or for driving or, in my case, for both.

Getting back to the cone of rays from a pixel that the iris and lens conspire to bring to a point on the retina, if there is a lot of light incident on the eye and the iris is undilated then this cone is much slimmer. The result of these differing cones on focus is called depth of field. When the cone is "fat" depth of field is reduced; only pixels in the same plane (actually a spherical surface, not a plane, because the retina is spherical; film cameras have planar light receptors; the eye and camera obscures etc have spherical light receptors) will be in focus; others out of the plane will produce a diffuse circle on the retina. When the cone is "slim" (because more light is incident on the eye) depth of field is increased because the size of the out of focus diffuse circle is smaller. Consequently, when there is less light falling on the eye, depth of field is reduced; the cones are fatter and as the eye roams the cillary muscle must work to alter the curvature of the lens to keep things in focus.

The implication for the dark theme is that, while it appears to have better contrast (it does not; but more on that below), the real effect is that it causes the eye to do more work than a light theme because the amount of light entering the eye is less. So both in the short term and especially over the long term the dark theme, relative to the light theme, will tire your collate muscle and cause your lens to stiffen or squish sooner. Why then, if what I'm saying is true, did all those World War Two military aircraft use white letters on a black background? My lotus europa is the same. The disc of the instrument is illuminated by a lamp so one can see it at night, and were the panel painted white then, for the same contrast, much more light would hit the eye that for white letters on a black background and the pilot's (or driver's) night vision would be impaired as the iris would contract.

I don't want to fear monger, but I do want to suggest that it is healthier and less wearing on the eyes to use light themes.

Eliot

Re: Solarized

#46

I credit Solarized with setting the baseline allowing proper "dark" themes to be more commonplace. I'm going out on a limb, but perhaps macOS' Dark Mode, or VSCode's dark mode, wouldn't exist without Solarized blazing that path. It's kinda funny how, before Solarized, I would see tons of gimmicky themes like some that were going for a Matrix or "classic terminal" feel, going all in on a certain theme but eschewing re…

If you used Borland C++, DBase, Lotus 123, WordStar and others... or used a monochromatic monitor (green, cyan or white on black), you used light text on a dark background.

By 2010, when Solarized appeared, the larger portion of the people that started coding on a light text on dark background had already retired.

Solarized did a good job in terms of distribution, I give you that 100%. But it is not the most important theme in history or anything of the sort.

Re: Solarized

#47
post #43

I used to use solarized, but switched to selenized some time ago. https://github.com/jan-warchol/selenized/blob/master/whats-w... Never looked back. Next best theme would have to be nordtheme.com

The author of Selenized is known in some circles for applying the same meticulous approach to make some absolutely mad cheesecake.

Re: Solarized

#48
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Are there other light color schemes similar to Solarized? The only one I have found is “Base16 Atelier Dune Light”: https://base16.netlify.app/previews/base16-atelier-dune-ligh... EDIT: Thanks for the suggestions!

Rosé Pine Dawn https://github.com/rose-pine/vscode

Flatwhite (available for emacs as doom-flatwhite) https://github.com/biletskyy/flatwhite-syntax

gruvbox-light

Nüshu https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=wheredoe...

These are the soft light themes I enjoyed after Solarized Light.

Re: Solarized

#49
post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dark mode isn't necessary better for your eyes than light mode [1]. I prefer a consistent lightning more, and that is often easier done with light mode. Although, this is getting better since more and more sites and apps implement it. However, not all, this results in sometimes being surprised by a white flash after browsing through some darker sites. 1: https://www.allaboutvision.com/digital-eye-strain/is-dark-mo...

A while back, Eliot Miranda posted a detailed message for dark theme users on the squeak-dev mailing list. This is what he wrote: Hi Dark Themers, in an earlier life I worked in optics, designing holographic cameras for bubble chamber physics, so I know a little about focussing systems and depth of field. The iris in the eye expands or contracts to allow or restrict the amount of light entering the eye, attempting to…

This was very insightful, thanks.

I'm 49 and can literally watch (pun intended) how my capability to focus in the near field gets worse and worse. I've been using dark themes in the terminal for 25 years and for a couple of years tried to use dark mode also in other software as much as possible.

After reading this I really wonder if I did myself a disservice and if I shouldn't change to light mode again.

Does anyone know of more sources on this topic? And also if the effect can be reversed or at least slowed with going back to light again?

EDIT: This[1] answer on Stackexchange has some funded details.

[1]https://ux.stackexchange.com/a/53268

Re: Solarized

#50
post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dark mode isn't necessary better for your eyes than light mode [1]. I prefer a consistent lightning more, and that is often easier done with light mode. Although, this is getting better since more and more sites and apps implement it. However, not all, this results in sometimes being surprised by a white flash after browsing through some darker sites. 1: https://www.allaboutvision.com/digital-eye-strain/is-dark-mo...

A while back, Eliot Miranda posted a detailed message for dark theme users on the squeak-dev mailing list. This is what he wrote: Hi Dark Themers, in an earlier life I worked in optics, designing holographic cameras for bubble chamber physics, so I know a little about focussing systems and depth of field. The iris in the eye expands or contracts to allow or restrict the amount of light entering the eye, attempting to…

Interesting comment. I have to note that light themes give me migraines, so I’m stuck with dark.

Can’t help but feel that it is fear mongering, though. This can’t be that difficult to research. Where is the hard evidence to back this up? Your comment sent me down a rabbit hole looking for anything scientific that suggests what you’re saying, and I find nothing that implies long term damage. The quoted post is drawing a lot of assumptions.

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