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Just 26% of US 8th graders proficient in math, in biggest-ever setback

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Re: Just 26% of US 8th graders proficient in math, in biggest-ever setback

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Post by adam_arthur »

dcchambers wrote: post #30

It's hard for people without kids to realize just how much COVID-related school closures fucked everything up. An entire generation of students is at risk of forever being behind. And even those that always attended online class, did all the work, and excelled given the circumstances are still going to fall behind because so many of their peers in the classroom are behind that entire curriculums are changing to accom…

Studies have shown that people tend to converge to their natural potential, regardless of tutors, early life interventions etc.

The end product of career success seems to be much more nature than nurture

Re: Just 26% of US 8th graders proficient in math, in biggest-ever setback

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Post by AnimalMuppet »

Test0129 wrote: post #25
ParksNet wrote: post #14

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This comment is getting downvoted because of poor wording. The accusations of racism are excessive and it's obvious these people have a pointless axe to grind. I think what OP is trying to say is this: 1. There is a biological component to intelligence. This doesn't imply race. If it was possible to reach 200 IQ with hard work a lot more people would be there. 2. Breaking scores down by ethnicity may elucidate data t…

> it's obvious these people have a pointless axe to grind.

> I am convinced other comments cannot read, or willfully misread OP, in order to signal their virtue.

You are interpreting ParksNet's comment charitably. You aren't doing the same for those who replied to it. (In fact, you're very close to breaking the site guidelines, both on charitable interpretation and on personal attacks.)

For the record, I replied before ParksNet edited their comment to be less "if our demographics look like Central America, our school outcomes will look like Central America", which seemed more directly racist.

Re: Just 26% of US 8th graders proficient in math, in biggest-ever setback

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Post by SQueeeeeL »

adam_arthur wrote: post #41
dcchambers wrote: post #30

It's hard for people without kids to realize just how much COVID-related school closures fucked everything up. An entire generation of students is at risk of forever being behind. And even those that always attended online class, did all the work, and excelled given the circumstances are still going to fall behind because so many of their peers in the classroom are behind that entire curriculums are changing to accom…

Studies have shown that people tend to converge to their natural potential, regardless of tutors, early life interventions etc. The end product of career success seems to be much more nature than nurture

Omg, yes! I don't understand how people don't realize this, relevant YouTube video: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hncVNNabglc

Re: Just 26% of US 8th graders proficient in math, in biggest-ever setback

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Post by mixmastamyk »

prottog wrote: post #18
mrguyorama wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At the end of the day, if parents don't value education, there's nothing an educator can do to fix that. Even truancy laws can't force a kid to pay attention and do their homework.

Perhaps we can stop at least spending the public's money on parents who don't value educating their children.

A zoom call costs the same if 20 or 40 kids attend.

Re: Just 26% of US 8th graders proficient in math, in biggest-ever setback

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Post by SQueeeeeL »

Test0129 wrote: post #32
dcchambers wrote: post #30

It's hard for people without kids to realize just how much COVID-related school closures fucked everything up. An entire generation of students is at risk of forever being behind. And even those that always attended online class, did all the work, and excelled given the circumstances are still going to fall behind because so many of their peers in the classroom are behind that entire curriculums are changing to accom…

> An entire generation of students is at risk of forever being behind. That ship sailed when Common Core was introduced. Teaching kids neat hacks instead of actual math will permanently stunt their progress.

Yeah, it's really amusing that anyone expects anything innovation-wise out of the US when we basically put the minimum amount of money humanly possible towards education (for the majority of the country). Looking at Asia and the Nordic countries and how highly they value educators, it's clear where all the talent is going to be in the coming decades.

Re: Just 26% of US 8th graders proficient in math, in biggest-ever setback

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Post by naijaboiler »

ALittleLight wrote: post #37

Even without COVID the public education system is such a travesty. When I was in highschool, one year, I had a math teacher who clearly didn't understand her own subject and would routinely get lost and contradict herself and was just generally useless in trying to teach what she did not know. In another year a math teacher may have known the subject but had zero control of the class and the students rebelled against…

That won't solve it. There are much much better paying jobs for any quantitatively minded individual than teaching. Many pay 2 to 5x what teaching does and you don't have to deal with bs. So math based subjects are left to those who aren't good at it or are otherwise rich enough and are only teaching out of passion.

Re: Just 26% of US 8th graders proficient in math, in biggest-ever setback

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Post by blacksmith_tb »

prottog wrote: post #40
bsder wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Holy hell. Have some empathy. Shitty parents are not the fault of a CHILD . Offering a child a safe space, food, and possibly education is the least we can do as a society.

You're absolutely right that children are not to be blamed for the sins of their parents. But in order to advance society we must work with human nature to make incentives aligned between disparate entities. One of the most fundamental parts of human nature is that parents want to see their children do well, and it's often the biggest reason why people toil and overcome great difficulties instead of settling for the…

That appears to be a false equivalency, Yao Ming doesn't "value" being tall, he is tall. Parents who don't value education may be crappy parents, or they may be hard-eyed realists who think nothing will better the lot of their children. But it's in the interest of a society to not have large numbers of uneducated and angry young people causing havoc.

Re: Just 26% of US 8th graders proficient in math, in biggest-ever setback

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Post by em500 »

SQueeeeeL wrote: post #47
Test0129 wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> An entire generation of students is at risk of forever being behind. That ship sailed when Common Core was introduced. Teaching kids neat hacks instead of actual math will permanently stunt their progress.

Yeah, it's really amusing that anyone expects anything innovation-wise out of the US when we basically put the minimum amount of money humanly possible towards education (for the majority of the country). Looking at Asia and the Nordic countries and how highly they value educators, it's clear where all the talent is going to be in the coming decades.

The US spends $14k/student per year on primary and secondary education, more than almost any other country in the world: https://nces.ed.gov/programs/coe/indicator/cmd/education-exp...
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