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Re: No New Streaming Services Will Launch in 2022

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Post by falcor84 »

echelon wrote: post #7
magic_hamster wrote: post #5

I feel bad for Netflix. They pioneered this market segment and now it reached saturation, people are getting tired of streaming fragmentation, their content took a turn for the worse and we are slowly and surely marching towards the next "Netflix of Streaming Services", which is basically Cable over IP. I wonder of Netflix could have done anything to keep being so far ahead and offer content from so many other compan…

Netflix should have bought out NBC, CBS/Paramount, Discovery, or (most significantly) HBO/WB. Or even just their perpetual streaming rights back in the 00's. Letting Discovery acquire WB was one of the biggest mistakes they've ever made. Just imagine if Netflix had the HBO and WB slate. Game of Thrones, all of DC, Cartoon Network... HBO has the superior content lineup, and they let that slide through their fingers. T…

>They still don't have a major fantasy, sci-fi, or superhero franchise outside of Stranger Things.

They have The Witcher, which is quite big.

Re: No New Streaming Services Will Launch in 2022

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Post by newswasboring »

brnt wrote: post #26
CharlesW wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Personally, I'd prefer frictionless fragmentation to centralization. I'm never going to subscribe to Paramount+ (or Whatever+) to see one or two shows I'm interested in, but I'd gladly pay $3-5 to stream a season of Star Trek: Discovery . If there's also a Paramount+ bundle that includes all of their original and licensed content, that's fine too.

Frictionless fragmentation would be that services adhere to some standard API and that viewing tools (we optionally build ourselves) can simply sign in to an arbitrary list of services. If that were possible, then yes. For many streaming service, I can't even figure out if the support Linux (e.g. HBO does not explicitly state I can use their service with a browser on Linux). So, it makes no sense to sign up even if I…

Pardon the ignorance but it's web technology right? Why would the OS matter? Is this some codec issue?

Re: No New Streaming Services Will Launch in 2022

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Post by detaro »

newswasboring wrote: post #42
brnt wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Frictionless fragmentation would be that services adhere to some standard API and that viewing tools (we optionally build ourselves) can simply sign in to an arbitrary list of services. If that were possible, then yes. For many streaming service, I can't even figure out if the support Linux (e.g. HBO does not explicitly state I can use their service with a browser on Linux). So, it makes no sense to sign up even if I…

Pardon the ignorance but it's web technology right? Why would the OS matter? Is this some codec issue?

DRM

Re: No New Streaming Services Will Launch in 2022

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Post by thr0wawayf00 »

RockRobotRock wrote: post #38
vardump wrote: post #2

The more fragmented the streaming services get, the more attractive piracy becomes.

Why do you want streaming services to be centralized? Is everyone forgetting how awful cable TV subscriptions were? You could subscribe to Netflix/Hulu/Peacock/Disney and still come under a lot of cable bills.

The fragmentation of streaming services often conflicts with what consumers want to see. Spotify is a centralized service and people love it. That's basically what consumers want, a Spotify for TV. The other issue with all of these streaming services is varied compatibility based on your platform. HBO didn't work with Roku for a year or two over a contract dispute, other streaming services weren't available on all devices. Granted, I haven't run into this issue lately, but in the era of "smart" (eyeroll) TVs and other entertainment devices, you can't really assume that anything "just works" anymore without checking first.

Re: No New Streaming Services Will Launch in 2022

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Post by capableweb »

rwbt wrote: post #9

Good. This is likely an unpopular opinion but the internet was supposed to bring knowledge, creative expression and so much more to the masses. Instead it devolved into a dopamine delivery machine with non-stop binge consumption and addiction to everyone.

Likely to be unpopular because it's likely to be false dichotomy. The internet is both of those things, at the same time, as you can choose how you use it, whenever you want.

Sometimes it gives me dopamine, sometimes it brings me knowledge, sometimes it allows me to express myself creatively and sometimes it allows me to consume other peoples creativity.

Re: No New Streaming Services Will Launch in 2022

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Post by [deleted] »

CharlesW wrote: post #18
vardump wrote: post #2

The more fragmented the streaming services get, the more attractive piracy becomes.

Personally, I'd prefer frictionless fragmentation to centralization. I'm never going to subscribe to Paramount+ (or Whatever+) to see one or two shows I'm interested in, but I'd gladly pay $3-5 to stream a season of Star Trek: Discovery . If there's also a Paramount+ bundle that includes all of their original and licensed content, that's fine too.

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Re: No New Streaming Services Will Launch in 2022

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Post by lotsofpulp »

rtkwe wrote: post #34
echelon wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably not, because Netflix content leadership sucks. But the Discovery boss recently claimed he wants more "comfort" programming than "destination tv", and that's a horrible sign. It signals they're leaning into more Honey Boo Boo and Ice Road Truckers-type content instead of Game of Thrones, Euphoria, Silicon Valley because it's cheaper to make.

If they weren't interested in making prestige TV then why buy HBO? That's the biggest thing HBO has going for it right now.

ATT might have been cash strapped due to having stupid amounts of debt, and an opportunity to wring out some value from an established brand might have materialized at an acceptable price.

ATT had already fired all the old HBO bosses that made and green lot all the great HBO shows.

Re: No New Streaming Services Will Launch in 2022

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Post by rascul »

RockRobotRock wrote: post #38
vardump wrote: post #2

The more fragmented the streaming services get, the more attractive piracy becomes.

Why do you want streaming services to be centralized? Is everyone forgetting how awful cable TV subscriptions were? You could subscribe to Netflix/Hulu/Peacock/Disney and still come under a lot of cable bills.

Hulu itself is about the same costs as equivalent cable for me, except I have to buy the hardware (if I need any) and nobody comes out to hook it up. And then there's issues with the stream so very often...

Re: No New Streaming Services Will Launch in 2022

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Post by CharlesW »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #33
CharlesW wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Personally, I'd prefer frictionless fragmentation to centralization. I'm never going to subscribe to Paramount+ (or Whatever+) to see one or two shows I'm interested in, but I'd gladly pay $3-5 to stream a season of Star Trek: Discovery . If there's also a Paramount+ bundle that includes all of their original and licensed content, that's fine too.

There are currently 55 episodes available for $10 per month on paramount+ or $3 per episode via Apple’s TV app, or $30 per season for seasons 1 thru 3 in Apple’s TV app. On Amazon, lower quality episodes are available for $2 each for seasons 1 thru 3. The seller wants $30 per season and you are looking to pay $3 to $5. The seller is also offering $10 to rent 4 seasons assuming you binge watch 55 episodes in a month.…

> Looks like a decent amount of options.

I see two — subscribe to Yet Another Streaming Service or buy. YASS is a non-starter for me (at my limit + subscription fatigue), and buying is out for me because seasons are priced for ownership/repeat viewing. IMO there's a significant pricing/packaging gap here.

Re: No New Streaming Services Will Launch in 2022

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Post by lotsofpulp »

RockRobotRock wrote: post #38
vardump wrote: post #2

The more fragmented the streaming services get, the more attractive piracy becomes.

Why do you want streaming services to be centralized? Is everyone forgetting how awful cable TV subscriptions were? You could subscribe to Netflix/Hulu/Peacock/Disney and still come under a lot of cable bills.

Because the real reason is that people do not want to pay the amount that the sellers are asking, not that they have to visit a different website or app.

I can easily search and watch anything outside of Netflix in the Apple’s TV app right now within seconds assuming I have no problem paying for it. Whether or not it is “fragmented” makes little difference in user experience.

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