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macOS 13 Ventura review

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Re: macOS 13 Ventura review

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Have they separated scroll direction for mouse and trackpad yet? I don't understand how a shared flag like that has not been fixed yet, does nobody at apple use a normal mouse?

Doesn't look like it. But Mos still seems to work if that bothers you (as it does me).

https://mos.caldis.me/

Re: macOS 13 Ventura review

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Is there any legit reason Apple is hastening the drop of support for older computers when they can be upgraded just fine with the OpenCore Legacy Patcher? It seems wrong to me in an age of excessive e-waste that seemingly arbitrary thresholds is set that has zero hardware links. I generally really like Apple, and is planning on retiring my 2014 Macbook Pro for an M2, but it's still working absolutely great. But i cou…

Seems like maybe a bigger cause of e-waste might be the mindset that a device immediately needs to go in a dumpster the day after some OS upgrade comes out that won't run on it.

Re: macOS 13 Ventura review

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Have they separated scroll direction for mouse and trackpad yet? I don't understand how a shared flag like that has not been fixed yet, does nobody at apple use a normal mouse?

It doesn't look like it. There are separate controls on the mouse and trackpad screen, but they're tied to the same value.

I would think that would be separate - the keyboard re-mappings are different for each keyboard that you plug in.

I use a normal wheely mouse and am fine with "natural" scrolling, but I may just be weird in that respect. (I've had really bad luck with bluetooth mice, so my not so magic mice live in my closet.)

Re: macOS 13 Ventura review

#46
Anyone else noticed that the Preview app was tinkered with again? Now it lost the ability to open PostScript files. This feature worked from the very beginning of Mac OSX up till Monterrey. The command line PostScript tools are still present though.

Also all Ruby gems with native extensions stopped working for me, even the pre-installed system ones.

Re: macOS 13 Ventura review

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post #26

Is there any legit reason Apple is hastening the drop of support for older computers when they can be upgraded just fine with the OpenCore Legacy Patcher? It seems wrong to me in an age of excessive e-waste that seemingly arbitrary thresholds is set that has zero hardware links. I generally really like Apple, and is planning on retiring my 2014 Macbook Pro for an M2, but it's still working absolutely great. But i cou…

> so it has to go in the dumpster with a great battery, a fine screen and a processor that could easily be used as a server, video player, browser etc. Why would it have to go in the dumpster if it still works well? This reasoning is why we have exessive e-waste, not the lack of upgrades...

I have a pretty old iPad as well and it simply can't do anything I need anymore. Tons of apps won't install by now, it's insecure since it hasn't received any patches in quite a few years, what would I use it for? I'd like to use it as a Spotify Connect target, but no recent Spotify will install on it. Can't use it as a server for obvious reasons. Can't use it as a Home hub. Can't use it for web browsing, or as a smart home control panel... and I don't know anyone who would have a use for it. It's essentially a very smart paperweight.

Re: macOS 13 Ventura review

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post #26

Is there any legit reason Apple is hastening the drop of support for older computers when they can be upgraded just fine with the OpenCore Legacy Patcher? It seems wrong to me in an age of excessive e-waste that seemingly arbitrary thresholds is set that has zero hardware links. I generally really like Apple, and is planning on retiring my 2014 Macbook Pro for an M2, but it's still working absolutely great. But i cou…

Of course, because the more older models you support that don't have the hardware needed for your new features, the more programming you have to do to enable/disable those features in different configurations, the more testing, and the more bugs. It becomes impossible to maintain. At some point you have to draw a line and let go, in order to delete the legacy code holding you back. But please don't throw your iPad in…

No you can't use it for video and browsing.

You can't play video on it because Youtube/Netflix/Hbo + all other video apps don't work anymore on IOS9.

You can't browse the web because certificates don't work anymore in the browser.

I don't know why you guys are attacking me for proposing legislation and retiring my old iPad - i'm a techy with a 2014 macbook pro that has really tried finding a usecase for his my old 2. gen iPad lol, i use stuff for as long as possible.

Most regular non tech people won't be able to stretch their laptops life as long as i did, that's the problem.

Re: macOS 13 Ventura review

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Have they separated scroll direction for mouse and trackpad yet? I don't understand how a shared flag like that has not been fixed yet, does nobody at apple use a normal mouse?

This isn’t about normal mouse or not, after all the Magic Mouse IS and scrolls like a normal mouse, just with a touch-surface instead of a wheel.

It’s about the fact that in macOS it’s the content that scrolls, not the viewport. By moving your finger up on a touchpad you’re pushing the content up, and the wheel of a non-Apple mouse is a physical proxy of the content.

You may not like the decision, but in my opinion it makes a lot of sense, and I set the mouse to work like this even in Linux.

Re: macOS 13 Ventura review

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post #26

Is there any legit reason Apple is hastening the drop of support for older computers when they can be upgraded just fine with the OpenCore Legacy Patcher? It seems wrong to me in an age of excessive e-waste that seemingly arbitrary thresholds is set that has zero hardware links. I generally really like Apple, and is planning on retiring my 2014 Macbook Pro for an M2, but it's still working absolutely great. But i cou…

> Is there any legit reason Apple is hastening the drop of support for older computers when they can be upgraded just fine with the OpenCore Legacy Patcher?

How do regular OS patches work with OpenCore Legacy Patcher? Do you have to go hoops to update OS for security / feature updates once you set it up?

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