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Available Today: Windows Dev Kit 2023 a.k.a. Project Volterra

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Re: Available Today: Windows Dev Kit 2023 a.k.a. Project Volterra

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Post by thesuperbigfrog »

IndigoIncognito wrote: post #20
ramesh31 wrote: post #9

Could this be the harbinger of a return to Windows Phone? The world sorely needs an alternative to the mobile OS duopoly.

I'd argue that Microsoft entering the mobile OS market is worse than having a duopoly

>> I'd argue that Microsoft entering the mobile OS market is worse than having a duopoly

Would please you elaborate your argument?

Personally, I think having more choices would be better. The Apple vs. Google duopoly is limiting for consumers and developers.

Would you rather have an expensive device that you barely control or a cheaper device that spies on you?

More choices and competition, please.

Re: Available Today: Windows Dev Kit 2023 a.k.a. Project Volterra

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whalesalad wrote: post #17
piperswe wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same here - with 32GB of RAM I could easily replace my main home server (which runs NixOS, so I can easily just rebuild the system for aarch64). I wonder how quickly people will get Linux running on these...

The M1 can run Asahi Linux, which I imagine is going to outperform this. https://www.androidauthority.com/snapdragon-8cx-gen-3-intel-...

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Re: Available Today: Windows Dev Kit 2023 a.k.a. Project Volterra

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Post by postalrat »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #29
postalrat wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

32gb on an m2 is probably going to cost you around $3000. I don't think 32gb on m1 is even possible.

Sure - if you need all 32GB for development work, it is a great deal. But, with a processor slower than a midrange modern Intel laptop, good luck using it to its full extent without feeling quite slow. So slow you might almost prefer a 16GB M1 Mac mini with swap for the rest despite the VM. Plus, if you read Microsoft documentation on Windows on ARM so far, Microsoft doesn't actually expect you to use an IDE on these…

16gb is the near the cutoff that I need to run all the app/containers/etc I need. If I don't have enough memory everything comes to an abrupt crawl.

When that happens it doesn't matter what CPU I have, things are nearly locked up.

Re: Available Today: Windows Dev Kit 2023 a.k.a. Project Volterra

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Post by gw99 »

nick88msn wrote: post #8

"Microsoft tells Windows Central that the Windows Dev Kit 2023 is exclusive to Windows 11, with no official support for running other operating systems such as Linux or even Windows 10 on ARM. The product is designed for developers looking to optimize their apps for ARM on top of Windows 11."

Realistically you have to ask how many people is that now?

I have never seen an ARM windows machine in the wild.

In fact I barely even see any windows 11 machines.

Re: Available Today: Windows Dev Kit 2023 a.k.a. Project Volterra

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Post by gjsman-1000 »

IceWreck wrote: post #7

I want to install Linux on one of these and use it as a low power consumption home server.

I don't know why you would buy one, even if it were available, unless power-efficiency was a crucial component for a server. Can you imagine what you could get, on eBay, in a small form factor, for $600?

I made off with a i3-8100T (about 3/4s as powerful, 35W TDP), with 16GB of RAM, and a 256GB SSD in an ultra-small-form-factor case for less than $150. For $600, it makes absolutely no sense against anything used. Let's say it drew 50W vs 20W total use at 10 cents per KWh. It would take 5 years to save $130, if you ran it 24/7/365. A $450 used Intel small-form-factor system would run circles around it in performance (especially after any emulation / code conversion) and you'd break even.

Re: Available Today: Windows Dev Kit 2023 a.k.a. Project Volterra

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Post by dottedmag »

swarnie wrote: post #33
thom_ wrote: post #13

They should give them away. I’d never spend $600 on any kind of windows product. Maybe we can install linux on it? But you’d have to be smoking crack not to buy a mac mini m1. It’s the best computer I ever used hands down

Can a mac mini m1 run Windows?

Yes, in Parallels.

Re: Available Today: Windows Dev Kit 2023 a.k.a. Project Volterra

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Post by imwillofficial »

ramesh31 wrote: post #32
IndigoIncognito wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd argue that Microsoft entering the mobile OS market is worse than having a duopoly

>I'd argue that Microsoft entering the mobile OS market is worse than having a duopoly We need something. I’ve lost all faith in the hardware direction of iPhone. The 14 Pro (let alone Pro Max) is an absurd monstrosity. And Google clearly has no interest in innovation beyond copying Apple.

How do you mean? Im curious as to your thoughts
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