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Re: Hitting a Moose

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Post by rolph »

jcadam wrote: post #39
rolph wrote: post #21

Alaskan moose stand about 7 feet tall at the shoulder when mature, alot of that is just long legs, but a complete bull moose can easily be 3/4 ton. most collisions with cars end up clipping the legs out under it and the moose goes straight through the windshield at whatever speed you were moving. for those reasons and others large trucks are the rule, and cars are a risk. moose here are mostly crepuscular, active dur…

I've lived in Alaska (Kenai Peninsula) about 18 months now. Haven't hit a moose yet (knocks on wood). Have had to brake a little hard a couple times in my F-150, though. There are "scoreboards" along some stretches of the highway showing the number of moose killed so far in a year. I see a few people driving Priuses. I don't think they'll last very long.

yup theyre along the whole highway, the article was a little out of date,though the moose isnt yours if its a road kill, its state property [the state claims ownership of moose but shirks stewardship] and its ?donated? in someway to food security solutions [giveaways to people who have insecure/no food supply]

its an offence to just take roadkill moose. its also an offence to allow it to spoil by not reporting it.

Re: Hitting a Moose

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Post by invalidator »

Waterluvian wrote: post #36
nkrisc wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s been a while since high school physics, so I may be way off, but you only need to overcome the static friction of the object and surface. It’s the reason I can push a large piece of furniture across a floor even though I could never lift it myself.

I think you’re right and my intuition is way off. Now I’m curious if the load is ever going to be greater than a dead lift, assuming no edge cases like being blocked behind a boulder. Ie. Just general ground friction and some incline plane angle less than 90deg.

That's determined by the coefficient of friction between the load and the surface. A coefficient of 1 means the force to drag is equal to the normal force (ie, the dead lift). Most things (including moose fur on soil) have a coefficient 1, such as race tires on asphalt.

Re: Hitting a Moose

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Post by mgsouth »

racl101 wrote: post #38
dghughes wrote: post #25

I live in the only Canadian province that doesn't have moose, or bears, or deer, or any large animals other farm animals. Even skunks were imported (and escaped) as a cheaper replacement for fox fur. We don't have the experience of being aware of large animals on rural roads. Most times it is known if a cow or a horse is on the loose. When I travel to neighbouring provinces I am nervous driving on the highway. Especi…

Don't bury the lede. What province is that?

I'm guessing Prince Edward Island.

Re: Hitting a Moose

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Post by dreamcompiler »

chrsig wrote: post #31

Growing up in rural New England, every now and then we'd have some moose wandering through. One jumped over my dads car, leaving a pretty significant dent. Moose walked away unphased. The thing to know about moose: they don't give a fuck. they're a goddamn moose, and they'll go where they please and be there for as long as they like. The fuck you gonna do about it? And when you're stopped in the middle of the road wa…

When we camped in our RV at a park in western Wyoming we couldn't open our door one morning. I kept pushing on the door but it wouldn't move. Turned out there were 3 or 4 moose cows with their calves just outside and one cow was leaning against the door and she wouldn't move.

Finally I got the bright idea to dangle a carrot through a crack in the door. She took it and moved away so we could exit.

Those were some smart moose.

Re: Hitting a Moose

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Post by jameshart »

nkrisc wrote: post #33
Waterluvian wrote: post #9

“The winch was rated to handle the moose’s weight—roughly 1,500 pounds” Permit me on this wonderful Saturday morning to be tangentially pedantic. I imagine the true “weight” of dragging a moose across the ground is a lot more than 1500lbs by probably many multiples?

It’s been a while since high school physics, so I may be way off, but you only need to overcome the static friction of the object and surface. It’s the reason I can push a large piece of furniture across a floor even though I could never lift it myself.

Valid for a spherical moose on a smooth plane with constant coefficient of friction, sure.

But an object dragged across a real surface will catch on things, and the force to overcome that is going to depend on the breaking strain of the objects and the elastic coefficients required to deform them.

That’s the reason that even a winch rated to the weight of your sofa can’t pull it through a doorway that’s too small for it.

Re: Hitting a Moose

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Post by gfna »

invalidator wrote: post #42
Waterluvian wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you’re right and my intuition is way off. Now I’m curious if the load is ever going to be greater than a dead lift, assuming no edge cases like being blocked behind a boulder. Ie. Just general ground friction and some incline plane angle less than 90deg.

That's determined by the coefficient of friction between the load and the surface. A coefficient of 1 means the force to drag is equal to the normal force (ie, the dead lift). Most things (including moose fur on soil) have a coefficient 1, such as race tires on asphalt.

I have been waiting for being able to use this link for some time now. Perhaps the results of dragging sheep are correlated: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12507336/

Re: Hitting a Moose

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Post by Scoundreller »

rolph wrote: post #21

Alaskan moose stand about 7 feet tall at the shoulder when mature, alot of that is just long legs, but a complete bull moose can easily be 3/4 ton. most collisions with cars end up clipping the legs out under it and the moose goes straight through the windshield at whatever speed you were moving. for those reasons and others large trucks are the rule, and cars are a risk. moose here are mostly crepuscular, active dur…

At least in Alaska you probably don’t salt the roads. In places that do, the road actually baits deer and moose.

And sometimes go for the salt on your vehicle:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2020/11/23/worl...

Re: Hitting a Moose

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Post by codazoda »

rolph wrote: post #23
is_true wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you saying that he should've bought a lighter winch and a pair of wheels?

heavier winch about 2ton or he should have gut n cut it into quarters right there

But that would cover him in grass, perhaps. The quartering I mean.

Re: Hitting a Moose

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Post by jameshart »

Waterluvian wrote: post #36
nkrisc wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s been a while since high school physics, so I may be way off, but you only need to overcome the static friction of the object and surface. It’s the reason I can push a large piece of furniture across a floor even though I could never lift it myself.

I think you’re right and my intuition is way off. Now I’m curious if the load is ever going to be greater than a dead lift, assuming no edge cases like being blocked behind a boulder. Ie. Just general ground friction and some incline plane angle less than 90deg.

For the inclined plane scenario, if you’re applying a force horizontally (eg by dragging with a rope) and the object has to slide up and over an inclined bump… even a frictionless incline of 45° will require you to pull horizontally with the more force than the object’s weight in order to get it to move.

Re: Hitting a Moose

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Post by rolph »

codazoda wrote: post #48
rolph wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

heavier winch about 2ton or he should have gut n cut it into quarters right there

But that would cover him in grass, perhaps. The quartering I mean.

the gutting should have been done early on but, put a garbage bag on or cover the moose in plastic, and stand to one side for the first part of the cut. its gotta be a quick opening or the inside will bloat out and make it a PITA to get it done without getting too messy.
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