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Re: Kanye West is buying Parler

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Post by easrng »

mrtksn wrote: post #11

Musk and everyone else is right that we do need a platform with free speech. The only problem is that all those free speech advocates are actually NIMBY's when it comes to free speech. I have been following self proclaimed free speech absolutists(because I too, believe in free speech but don't believe it exists) and they are totally not the kind of people that say "I hate what you say but I will die defending your ri…

> The only somewhat free place I've seen is 4Chan but it contains so much toxicity, that's its barely bearable.

And even 4chan has rules and mods to enforce them.

Re: Kanye West is buying Parler

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Post by datavirtue »

aetherane wrote: post #12
datavirtue wrote: post #5

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Many people can be high achieving and functional despite having mental health issues and pushback from people like you. Kanye has made decisions his whole life. Maybe some were bad but he has made it through and succeeded to a high degree.

He has obviously gone off the rails and needs help (I don't think he was like this many years ago). I'm disappointed that people view his antics as entertainment. He is serious, and quite obviously has a progressing problem. My original question, which has already been down-voted, was sincere.

Par for the course in America, he will probably end up jailed due to his mental health issues.

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Post by shafyy »

tgv wrote: post #34
mrtksn wrote: post #11

Musk and everyone else is right that we do need a platform with free speech. The only problem is that all those free speech advocates are actually NIMBY's when it comes to free speech. I have been following self proclaimed free speech absolutists(because I too, believe in free speech but don't believe it exists) and they are totally not the kind of people that say "I hate what you say but I will die defending your ri…

Why do we need an absolute free speech platform? What good does it do? > The only somewhat free place I've seen is 4Chan but it contains so much toxicity, that's its barely bearable. Sounds like a hint to me. There are more free speech sites, e.g. saidit.net. I would wholeheartedly recommend staying away from it: it's a cesspool, like the other reddit wannabes. Voat also comes to mind. Freedom of speech on such sites…

> Why do we need an absolute free speech platform? What good does it do?

This is exactly the right question to ask. I'm convinced that it's not possible to have constructive "free speech" social media platform. There's always the need for moderation.

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Post by dd36 »

brutusborn wrote: post #35
dd36 wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know my left wing friends would claim the media still is right wing and truly left wing ideas are disallowed. It may be that the left wing was censored and vilified for so long that it ceased existing in the US.

What kind of ideas? I guess if you go far enough left then everything is to your right.

Communism, socialism, ending capitalism, etc. Just look at European politics.

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Post by tonightstoast »

dd36 wrote: post #30
impowski wrote: post #19

I mean you can say “men are trash”, “white people are trash” and so on, but at the same time you are not allowed to say anything against jewish people or other people? Isn’t it kinda hypocritical? Maybe we should not allow toxic behavior at all and have a civil discourse about someone is feeling towards some group of people to allow him to change his mind? Personal attacks and hatred will not do any good this will on…

Kanye West is still on Twitter. What was it he couldn’t say?

He made some anti Semitic comments and I thought his account was banned. Maybe it was just a suspension though.

Re: Kanye West is buying Parler

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Post by asddubs »

mrtksn wrote: post #11

Musk and everyone else is right that we do need a platform with free speech. The only problem is that all those free speech advocates are actually NIMBY's when it comes to free speech. I have been following self proclaimed free speech absolutists(because I too, believe in free speech but don't believe it exists) and they are totally not the kind of people that say "I hate what you say but I will die defending your ri…

>The only somewhat free place I've seen is 4Chan but it contains so much toxicity, that's its barely bearable.

welcome to true free speech on the internet. the worst and most abrasive of the bunch drive everyone away.

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Post by dd36 »

danuker wrote: post #36
impowski wrote: post #19

I mean you can say “men are trash”, “white people are trash” and so on, but at the same time you are not allowed to say anything against jewish people or other people? Isn’t it kinda hypocritical? Maybe we should not allow toxic behavior at all and have a civil discourse about someone is feeling towards some group of people to allow him to change his mind? Personal attacks and hatred will not do any good this will on…

On one hand, there should ideally be no discrimination. So, hate speech directed even at white males should be disallowed. On the other hand, society resolved through politics (such as Affirmative Action) that the compound interest and lasting synergistic effects of historical discrimination should be compensated for somewhat. The only way to do that is through more discrimination (i.e. relatively penalizing the leas…

Twitter has corporate users and advertisers. If it became 4chan, that would all evaporate.

It also has professionals. There’s a point at which unmoderated content drives out all but the trolls, spammers, and haters.

Re: Kanye West is buying Parler

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Post by impowski »

danuker wrote: post #36
impowski wrote: post #19

I mean you can say “men are trash”, “white people are trash” and so on, but at the same time you are not allowed to say anything against jewish people or other people? Isn’t it kinda hypocritical? Maybe we should not allow toxic behavior at all and have a civil discourse about someone is feeling towards some group of people to allow him to change his mind? Personal attacks and hatred will not do any good this will on…

On one hand, there should ideally be no discrimination. So, hate speech directed even at white males should be disallowed. On the other hand, society resolved through politics (such as Affirmative Action) that the compound interest and lasting synergistic effects of historical discrimination should be compensated for somewhat. The only way to do that is through more discrimination (i.e. relatively penalizing the leas…

People are lazy they think that some sort of compensation will resolve all their issues but it’s not.

Everyone knows that these companies control people because they are constantly engaged on their platforms they can push anything they want. Companies will support any dominating regime for their own good it doesn’t matter if it’s democrats or republicans, fascists or communists, etc.

Re: Kanye West is buying Parler

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Post by madeofpalk »

mrtksn wrote: post #11

Musk and everyone else is right that we do need a platform with free speech. The only problem is that all those free speech advocates are actually NIMBY's when it comes to free speech. I have been following self proclaimed free speech absolutists(because I too, believe in free speech but don't believe it exists) and they are totally not the kind of people that say "I hate what you say but I will die defending your ri…

> The only somewhat free place I've seen is 4Chan but it contains so much toxicity, that's its barely bearable.

Here, you've solved it. "The free market", both users and advertisers, demand content moderation. If you want to attract users, you need a website that isn't a cesspool of 'toxicity'. If you don't want to drive away those who actually pay for your website (advertisers), you'll need to moderate.

Reddit has proved this out - they started out trying to say they're hands off, and they'll only remove illegal content (ignoring how troublesome that is to define for a global website), and they've slowly learned over the years that they cannot grow their website with those policies.

You could say that you don't want to grow your platform, and stay a small niche, which is totally fine. That's what gab and parlor and 4chan are. We have them already!

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Post by threatofrain »

mrtksn wrote: post #11

Musk and everyone else is right that we do need a platform with free speech. The only problem is that all those free speech advocates are actually NIMBY's when it comes to free speech. I have been following self proclaimed free speech absolutists(because I too, believe in free speech but don't believe it exists) and they are totally not the kind of people that say "I hate what you say but I will die defending your ri…

You're basically looking for people like Stallman, who is a very rare kind of person. He thinks about the principles he would like to advocate for and then he fleshes out how these principles interact and how to deal with tensions or contradictions.

Most people who declare their affinity for a value or policy or position merely do so tactically; they think that there's a short-term relationship between the furthering of some movement and their ability to get closer to what they want. Such people are allies when convenient.

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