The Moorish invention that tamed Spain's mountains

Post by elnatro » Sun, Oct 16, 2022, 6:01 PM UTC

jvican wrote: post #35

justnah wrote: post #30

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>but my impression from this is that locals are quite proud of their cosmopolitan past and "moro" Literally no one is. There is a vast difference between giving credit for a given concept/tool/technique because it's useful, and thinking the locals have sort of ancestral connection with a foreign invader.

Don't speak for a whole country. There are people that are proud of this heritage, like me, and many more, especially in the places where Moorish culture had a stronghold (e.g. Andalusia, C. Valenciana, Murcia, etc.)

Post by Daishiman » Sun, Oct 16, 2022, 6:44 PM UTC

oceanplexian wrote: post #31

I'm not sure why BBC finds it so fascinating that the Moors were able to dig ditches and channel water through them 500 years after the Romans had built highly advanced aqueducts in Spain ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aqueduct_of_Segovia , https://fascinatingspain.com/place-to-visit/the-best-of/the-... ). All I can guess is that some civilizations are more in vogue than others. In fact when the Moors invaded Spain,…

Post by spookie » Sun, Oct 16, 2022, 6:57 PM UTC

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There must be hundreds of places around the world who could make use of this. How many other ones in Spain have been abandoned? If this was established by the Moors then I would guess other ex-Moor states would have a similar setup.

> If this was established by the Moors then I would guess other ex-Moor states would have a similar setup. Sure thing! In Madeira they have many ancient aquaducts originally estabilished by the Moors: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Levada Ancient water management is a fascinating topic. The qanats in the middle-east, and north africa are particularly interesting. They are underground water conduits and sources dug b…

Post by spookie » Sun, Oct 16, 2022, 7:06 PM UTC

asabil wrote: post #44

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I find it hard to believe that there would be no cultural heritage after ~700 years. What I think you want to say is that the "identity" of modern Spain and Portugal has been shaped and defined by its opposition to the moor/muslim/north-african identity.

Post by asabil » Sun, Oct 16, 2022, 7:17 PM UTC

spookie wrote: post #47

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I find it hard to believe that there would be no cultural heritage after ~700 years. What I think you want to say is that the "identity" of modern Spain and Portugal has been shaped and defined by its opposition to the moor/muslim/north-african identity.

I do disagree with your last sentence, a lot of Portuguese are proud of their north-african connections. Most families come from "newly-christians" after all (and you gotta blame Spain's Phillips for that one).