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Framework Laptops Now Offering Refurbished Products

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Re: Framework Laptops Now Offering Refurbished Products

#41

I am really tempted to get a Framework laptop. Has anyone real world stories about using it with Linux (specifically Fedora)? Thanks in advance.

I have been running Fedora (35 I think) for about a year. I'm happy with the battery life while in use -- not blown away, but happy -- but it does still drain with the lid closed unless shut down. Everything else is perfect.

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I really want to get a Framework laptop, all their values seem very well aligned with what I want from a laptop maker, but until they offer a model with a larger display I'm stuck waiting. As a developer, I really need at least a 15" display, preferably 16" or 17".

+1 I really wanted a framework laptop, but had to go with Asus M16 in the end due to size limitations. A dedicated GPU is another missing feature for me. I'm hoping with how powerful iGPU are becoming (amd 7000 looks promising) this should be a non issue hopefully by next purchase.

They support thunderbolt, when I tried a framework laptop for a bit I was able to use an external GPU box when I needed the extra horsepower. But that may not work for your use case of course.

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My Framework laptop suddenly stopped charging or booting. Hopefully it'll end up being one of these, if their support ever stops telling me to retry charging it for 24 hours.

Maybe worth a try: https://guides.frame.work/Guide/Fully+Resetting+the+Mainboar...

I tried that before contacting them.

So far their advice is just to try the same thing but longer, though.

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A keyboard with full sized arrows, dedicated pgup/pgdown, 3 physical mouse buttons and a trackpoint, I'm begging you, please.

>and a trackpoint

You know, I keep hearing people beg for a trackpoint, but if there really was the demand, why hasn't a third party made one already? That's the whole point of Framework, if you want to extend functionality, you can do it yourself without relying on the company to do it.

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A keyboard with full sized arrows, dedicated pgup/pgdown, 3 physical mouse buttons and a trackpoint, I'm begging you, please.

Yes. I'm looking forward to the "framework 2". What's the point of having four interchangeable ports when my daily driver laptop already has 3 type-A, two type-C, an SD and microSD reader, and HDMI-out all at the same time? Give me the cool shit , Framework. Gimme a module that's actually a bluetooth mouse. Gimme a module that's just a horizontal stack of like six USB2 ports. Gimme an ethernet port and a serial port.

Know what I love about Framework? You, humble user, can go make an adaptor. It's just USB-C on the inside, and a very simple slot to slide it into. Go put your USB->Serial FTDI chip in a 3d printed case and start making money.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The expansion slots are too small to fit 2x USB-A ports in a single expansion card (edit: without an extended body, which will not work for me). They could fit 2x USB-C in one, but the fact that nobody has made one in the year this product has been out makes me wary of the promise of an entire DIY ecosystem.

They could fit 4 USB-C, or 6 MicroSD, or 12 headphone jacks! But none of that really matters. The elegance of the original model is that you get 4x Thunderbolt 4-capable ports that can run at full-speed and easily interface with any standard USB device. Sure you could add more ports, but you're just diluting the speed of the interface and adding more steps between your device and the laptop's IO controller. > the fac…

> Did you look?

I did look. Did you? That thread is a year of people speculating about if this would even be possible and a few prototype renderings. There is no evidence in that thread that anyone has even created a physical prototype, much less an actual working adapter.

> The elegance of the original model

I don't want elegance. I want sustainability, repairability, linux compatibility, and more than four ports.

Edit: I would have much preferred if they had maybe 1 or 2 TB4 expansion slots, then take those other 40Gbit/sec TB4 pci-e lanes and have a bunch of standard ports that are easily replaceable on the motherboard, which all together wouldn't even come close to saturating a single TB4 lane. Add up 3x USB-A/C 3.2 Gen 2 (10 Gbps each, or 5Gbps for USB 3.2 Gen 1), 2.5Gbps ethernet, 100Mbps SD card, and you're still well under the bandwidth for one of the 4 lanes. Then have the other pci-e lane do HDMI 2.0b.

> you're just diluting the speed of the interface and adding more steps between your device and the laptop's IO controller.

I (and likely most people) don't need 4 TB4 lanes at 40Gbps each. The ethernet expansion card that sticks out of the case is max 2.5Gbps. Where is the rest of that bandwidth going?

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A keyboard with full sized arrows, dedicated pgup/pgdown, 3 physical mouse buttons and a trackpoint, I'm begging you, please.

Add a AMD Ryzen option also please.

Or a RISC-V board (some help required from interested industry partners, I know).

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A keyboard with full sized arrows, dedicated pgup/pgdown, 3 physical mouse buttons and a trackpoint, I'm begging you, please.

>and a trackpoint You know, I keep hearing people beg for a trackpoint, but if there really was the demand, why hasn't a third party made one already? That's the whole point of Framework, if you want to extend functionality, you can do it yourself without relying on the company to do it.

You know, this is going to sound outrageous to many hacker news readers, but I bought a little Asus Vivo book with a touch screen.. and I really like the touch screen. The trackpad sucks. My hands stay on the keyboard most of the time, but when I need to click on something, it feels really good to just reach up and touch it on the screen.

Now admittedly, I don't use this thing for real work, just messing around when traveling, but a touch screen really is much better than a track pad.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Part of the point is that people can build this stuff themselves. Like, adding 4-6 USB ports onto this thing would be a weekend project if you already own a 3D printer. Bluetooth mouse one can probably be done with an off-the-shelf Alibaba kit, the Ethernet module exists already, and all 4 ports are serial by-default (but you could still add a SCSI port if you insist on being a villain). Though I agree, for a device…

The expansion slots are too small to fit 2x USB-A ports in a single expansion card (edit: without an extended body, which will not work for me). They could fit 2x USB-C in one, but the fact that nobody has made one in the year this product has been out makes me wary of the promise of an entire DIY ecosystem.

One USB A Port ist 1.3cm the slot ist 3cm wide. Why shouldn't it fit?
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