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FBI Monitored Aretha Franklin for Years, File Shows

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Re: FBI Monitored Aretha Franklin for Years, File Shows

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Post by wil421 »

theandrewbailey wrote: post #2

Defund the FBI, CIA, NSA, ATF, and DEA. They've proven themselves to cause more trouble than to solve problems.

I’m afraid if you were to defund some of those, like the DEA and ATF, they would just come after small time, lowest fruit criminals. They have proven they will charge people with dubious crimes. Similar to how people claim the IRS can’t tackle big time cheats and instead focus on auditing everyday people.

If you modernize federal drug laws the DEA would lose at lot of its teeth. It’s up to the legislatures to change laws and take power away from federal agencies.

Re: FBI Monitored Aretha Franklin for Years, File Shows

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Post by cjsplat »

landryraccoon wrote: post #26
throwaway894345 wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Quoted post unavailable.

> (homicides are up like 60% compared to the pre-BLM days). Where are you getting this statistic? A quick google search doesn’t show any such surge in the murder rate in the United States. 60% is a very large increase. I would expect this stat to have huge ripple effects if it were true.

The FBI has a nice analysis front end at https://crime-data-explorer.fr.cloud.gov/pages/home

Here is the murder rate graph - note that the most recent year is flagged as not fully reported yet.

https://crime-data-explorer.fr.cloud.gov/pages/explorer/crim...

Up 60% isn't far off, depending on when "pre-BLM days" starts, but it takes a big leap to connect it to BLM.

Also, if you look at the rate since the early 90's we are doing quite a bit better, so you get to pick your favorite trend line.

Re: FBI Monitored Aretha Franklin for Years, File Shows

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Post by kube-system »

adam_arthur wrote: post #20
lupire wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Defined the police" usually means "fund social welfare" with a side of "disarm the beat cops so they learn to deescalate". "Abolish the police" is the message of a much smaller group. And any count of crime surge should also include crimes committed by police under color of law.

How many organizations have been improved throughout history via removal of funding? Will better qualified police officers get hired with less funding?

The point that some of these groups were trying to make (but failed miserably in their messaging) was that cities with well funded police departments often skimp on social services.

Re: FBI Monitored Aretha Franklin for Years, File Shows

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Post by pjc50 »

prange wrote: post #24
theandrewbailey wrote: post #2

Defund the FBI, CIA, NSA, ATF, and DEA. They've proven themselves to cause more trouble than to solve problems.

Quoted post unavailable.

Only once they started investigating him.

The problem is that partisanship and racism made it OK to investigate left-wing and black leaders on spurious grounds. However, eventually a right-wing leader managed to ignore the law blatantly and importantly enough to be investigated : and at that point the right turned against the FBI.

There's no principle, only partisanship. Kind of a disaster for the rule of law.

Re: FBI Monitored Aretha Franklin for Years, File Shows

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Post by pjc50 »

prange wrote: post #40
Yahivin wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is possible for a person to be right about some things and wrong about other things.

I made no comment about it being right or wrong, and I don’t know whether the grandparent is a trump supporter or not. The more interesting question is to consider why Trump would hold this view, especially if you disagree with him on other things. Perhaps you don’t have the same assumptions about the reasons why as he does.

Trump is against the FBI because they're investigating him. It's not that deep.

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Post by wmeredith »

2devnull wrote: post #35
MonkeyMalarky wrote: post #17

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Having an independent, federal agency that can investigate local and state police is a nice thing though.

Until it’s not?

Yes?

That's a glib statement that applies so widely that it's not really relevant.

Re: FBI Monitored Aretha Franklin for Years, File Shows

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Post by prange »

pjc50 wrote: post #45
prange wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I made no comment about it being right or wrong, and I don’t know whether the grandparent is a trump supporter or not. The more interesting question is to consider why Trump would hold this view, especially if you disagree with him on other things. Perhaps you don’t have the same assumptions about the reasons why as he does.

Trump is against the FBI because they're investigating him. It's not that deep.

It’s almost as if he thinks the FBI might stand in the way of his re-election.

Re: FBI Monitored Aretha Franklin for Years, File Shows

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Post by junon »

femiagbabiaka wrote: post #30
landryraccoon wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> (homicides are up like 60% compared to the pre-BLM days). Where are you getting this statistic? A quick google search doesn’t show any such surge in the murder rate in the United States. 60% is a very large increase. I would expect this stat to have huge ripple effects if it were true.

It’s a complete fabrication of course.

Two mis-informations don't make a truth.

Re: FBI Monitored Aretha Franklin for Years, File Shows

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Post by junon »

kube-system wrote: post #43
adam_arthur wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How many organizations have been improved throughout history via removal of funding? Will better qualified police officers get hired with less funding?

The point that some of these groups were trying to make (but failed miserably in their messaging) was that cities with well funded police departments often skimp on social services.

Indeed. ACAB and Defund The Police advocates have sullied a very real and reasonable response to a very real problem through aggressive messaging :/
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