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Re: The Wikimedia Foundation spends Wikipedia donations on political activism

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The Twitter thread devolves into various random citations of "wokeism", and that's all fine and well for those who care to argue such examples on Twitter. But even aside from the culture war quagmire, the first few tweets in the thread are fascinating. Wikipedia is up to 400+ employees now? It's spending grew from $10 million in 2010, to $112 million in 2020? The actual website costs are only $2-3 million per year, a…

Pournelle's iron law of bureaucracy: > In any bureaucracy, the people devoted to the benefit of the bureaucracy itself always get in control and those dedicated to the goals that the bureaucracy is supposed to accomplish have less and less influence, and sometimes are eliminated entirely.

See also: the clique that has evolved between wiki editors.

Re: The Wikimedia Foundation spends Wikipedia donations on political activism

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”Woke” is a flawed term for a sprawling movement, but the best I’ve read on it is Wesley Yang's framework of successor ideology. As it would happen, Wikipedia actually has a pretty good overview: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Successor_ideology

Wow, what a theory. Please, tell me more about the authoritarianism of the least powerful people in society. To be fair, I was being glib there. This probably is the best attempt I've seen to define it - certainly better than when I usually ask the question that I did. In truth, though, I believe there is no 'woke' movement. I'm old enough to remember when people moaning about this stuff called it "political correctn…

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Re: The Wikimedia Foundation spends Wikipedia donations on political activism

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I agree. I wish the thread had stopped two or three tweets in. The random right-wing "culture war" ramblings are not cool and they detract from the important message that Wikipedia has solved the problem it was aiming to solve and is now hopelessly lost as an organization.

> Wikipedia has solved the problem it was aiming to solve "A world where every single human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge" - that's quite far from being a "solved" problem.

That is a solid example of a mission statement for an organization that doesn't have a mission anymore.

Re: The Wikimedia Foundation spends Wikipedia donations on political activism

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This is a problem across charities it seems - political activism is not necessarily bad, but when it's all generic woke stuff that has nothing to do with the charity's mission, it becomes really frustrating. The ACLU is another obvious example (as is Canada's equivalent the CCLA that I stopped supporting). But even a hospital I used to support has gotten into the business of pronouns and stuff, and regardless of the…

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He means this: https://freddiedeboer.substack.com/p/please-just-fucking-tel...

Re: The Wikimedia Foundation spends Wikipedia donations on political activism

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post #21

This is a problem across charities it seems - political activism is not necessarily bad, but when it's all generic woke stuff that has nothing to do with the charity's mission, it becomes really frustrating. The ACLU is another obvious example (as is Canada's equivalent the CCLA that I stopped supporting). But even a hospital I used to support has gotten into the business of pronouns and stuff, and regardless of the…

> But even a hospital I used to support has gotten into the business of pronouns and stuff, and regardless of the merit of that sort of thing, it's not anywhere near the top of causes people expect their hospital donations to go to. You're kidding, right? You won't donate to a hospital because "pronouns and stuff" isn't part of "their mandates"? How about sexual harassment? Should they turn a blind eye to that in the…

Yes because the notion that one can choose his pronouns is one of the most insidious lies in contemporary culture.

Re: The Wikimedia Foundation spends Wikipedia donations on political activism

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See what happens when you reply to "could you define it" comments? It's just a rhetorical device to set you up to then start debating your definition. Better to just ignore

Heaven forbid someone asks you to define the terms you're arguing from. You're right, though, it's absolutely a rhetorical device. But I'll continue to use it because it's quite effective - I've yet to see a definition from someone complaining about 'wokeness' that doesn't devolve into "I just want to continue making things worse for marginialised people, and will complain when a large enough number of people tell me…

I guess it's a hard topic

I took you to be writing against 'wokeism' until your second to last sentence, and then I was confused

For me, it means judging other people, for judging other people

Probably you define 'wokeism' as something else, and then I'd of understood you better

Edit: just to add, judging others is of-course sensible at many levels. The problem might be when I judge people more strongly than they are judging others. At that point I am part of the problem. I think we are very blind to our own faults, and this modern direction misses that

Re: The Wikimedia Foundation spends Wikipedia donations on political activism

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The Twitter thread devolves into various random citations of "wokeism", and that's all fine and well for those who care to argue such examples on Twitter. But even aside from the culture war quagmire, the first few tweets in the thread are fascinating. Wikipedia is up to 400+ employees now? It's spending grew from $10 million in 2010, to $112 million in 2020? The actual website costs are only $2-3 million per year, a…

> The actual website costs are only $2-3 million per year, and have declined over the past decade?

The HOSTING cost. Not the total cost to run it. That's a big difference.

Re: The Wikimedia Foundation spends Wikipedia donations on political activism

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> support diversity > I don't know why someone considers that "political," I'm guessing you live outside of the US

I live in the US but I'm not buying into the lunacy of the culture wars, just as I don't think climate change is an inherently political issue because one group of people want me to think it is.

How is something like climate change not political? There are few topics more political.
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