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Call for Participation to Chaos Computer Club’s 37C3

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Re: Call for Participation to Chaos Computer Club’s 37C3

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I wonder why the Congress takes place during the last few days of December. There aren't many travel options if you want to get back to your country before the new year.

It's traditionally and still a very DACH dominated event, for better or worse. Travel by regional/interregional trains around this time is perfectly fine, and it's a time where it's quite easy for a whole big community to synchronize for taking vacation.

Remember that this is not the type of Congress where people go on paid time. There are no sponsorships and generally no commercial interest behind this event, so I think (my guess, I have no data to back that up) that most people take vacation days and pay their own ticket.

Re: Call for Participation to Chaos Computer Club’s 37C3

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You mean the CCC that was founded in the rooms of leftist newspaper TAZ at a table that was stolen from the anarcho-left commune "Kommune 1"? If you don't understand that the CCC is and has always been anti-fascist, you're way off the path, friend. Edit: forgot to mention: any notion that Antifa is a state-organized thing is misguided at best and wrong and in bad faith at worst. It's just not true.

Implying the German state of all things runs Antifa is at best risible. While justice officers and LEOs will always trend right of society, simply due to self-section based on the inherent authoritarianism of justice and LE in particular, the German security services have done a spectacularly bad job (way beyond Hanlon's razor) at preventing and prosecuting right-wing extremism, crime and terrorism for almost the entire existence of the BRD. The idea that the same security services who systematically covered for right-wing criminals run Antifa is just... I don't even know how you get that idea. Besides, the German police and justice system has been prosecuting Antifa and a large number of other left-wing organizations since always.

Re: Call for Participation to Chaos Computer Club’s 37C3

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>We also welcome submissions that present a theoretical reflection on the impact of new technologies on artistic practices and forms of expression. Finally, the perfect forum to deliver my perspective of ML and AI current state of music and the outlook for the next 1, 3, and 5 years. There will be a lot of hurt feelings. It will be very constructive however and show the roadmap between artists and engineers that is y…

>the current level of ML/AI music is about on par with a precocious elementary student with a basic understanding of an Akai MPC.

not really true. As far as seven(!) years back people have done experiments where AI reproduction was good enough to fool even experienced listeners (https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/innovation/computer-generates-m...)

The biggest issue with AI art isn't the quality, we can already make generative art that is faithful enough to not be distinguishable. It's that authorship is an inherent part of art, and nobody is really interested in art that has no human creator in the same way nobody watches bots play chess, despite higher quality of play. Authenticity is central to art, what Walter Benjamin called the 'aura' of a work. (it's unique place in space and time, which automated art does not have).

Keeping this in mind the NFT craze over seemingly random pictures makes more sense, because it was essentially a mechanism to give a replaceable, fungible, mechanic work an aura of sorts, anchoring it. Rather than fidelity, this will be the central question of the tech/art intersection.

Re: Call for Participation to Chaos Computer Club’s 37C3

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Funny to see a bunch of (quickly flagged) comments that show a clear misunderstanding of what the German hacker scene is and wants.

Besides not being a monolith and this being amenable to labeling as such, it's still in many parts different from many other hacker scenes.

The CCC has always had the ambition (and backing credentials/skills) to be a political movement as much as a technological one. In fact that's the origin story of the Congress; Wau Holland inviting others to "do something" with these machines that were set to change the world. This political attitude always had a left and anti-fascist bent, IMHO something that Germany in the 80s, and nowadays, desperately needs.

The US scene in comparison (seen from far, just to be clear) looks much more comfortable with closeness to corporate and state actors. Having worked with the intelligence community seems to be more of a badge of honor over there?

In France in comparison the scene as I see it focuses much more on making things, while organisations like La Quadrature du Net are well known but small and not at all organized/supported in the grass roots way that the CCC is. Which is why they seem to enjoy the CCC events, it's always great to have them there. :)

I might be getting this very wrong, like I said I'm only seeing the US scene from "over here" and I only have shallow interaction with the French scene.

I'd also love to hear from other places and how your local nerd communities do in terms of taking political agency.

Re: Call for Participation to Chaos Computer Club’s 37C3

#46

I wonder why the Congress takes place during the last few days of December. There aren't many travel options if you want to get back to your country before the new year.

CCC often reveals new software vulnerabilities. I don't know if it's deliberate, but if they reveal those vulnerabilities at Christmas, they ruin the holiday of whoever is responsible for fixing them - quite likely someone working for a big corporation.

Re: Call for Participation to Chaos Computer Club’s 37C3

#47

Funny to see a bunch of (quickly flagged) comments that show a clear misunderstanding of what the German hacker scene is and wants. Besides not being a monolith and this being amenable to labeling as such, it's still in many parts different from many other hacker scenes. The CCC has always had the ambition (and backing credentials/skills) to be a political movement as much as a technological one. In fact that's the o…

I agree completely. There are many things I like about CCC. For example, corporate sponsorship is forbidden, and many speakers use handles rather than their legal name. This distancing from $dayjob helps to prevent government/military and corporations from undue influence, and also frees the speakers to say what they actually think about a technology, not fearing that they will lose their job over it.

Regarding the political bent, one big difference from the US is that people at CCC will openly express their disagreements, and are generally respectful about it. The only limitations are that Nazis are not allowed, which is partly because they are forbidden by law.

Re: Call for Participation to Chaos Computer Club’s 37C3

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> a state sponsored left wing terrorist organization [citation needed] I live next to a gathering point of leftist/antifa groups in Germany, and given the fact they are "state sponsered" they happen to get a lot of needlessly violent police response. I'd imagine a state which "sponsored" a group would protect them from the state's executive. Also the CCC publishes consistently statements that oppose the current Germa…

Funny how throughout my over 11k karma points the only comments that get downvoted without reply or clarification are ones that underline slightly left leaning viewpoints with facts.

I'd love to know the factually wrong parts of what I say, so I can avoid saying it in the future and maybe even adjust my world view accordingly. This happens with many issues I discuss, but when it comes to (on the european political spectrum) slightly left leaning topics there will always be certain people that downvote based on political orientation alone.

Re: Call for Participation to Chaos Computer Club’s 37C3

#49

I wonder why the Congress takes place during the last few days of December. There aren't many travel options if you want to get back to your country before the new year.

CCC often reveals new software vulnerabilities. I don't know if it's deliberate, but if they reveal those vulnerabilities at Christmas, they ruin the holiday of whoever is responsible for fixing them - quite likely someone working for a big corporation.

Or "ruining someone's holiday" is a secondary effect. Simplest explanation is that it's easy to get vacation time from your "normal" job at that time compared to other times, so if you want to make sure as many people can make it as possible, those dates are likely to be the best.
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