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Valve's latest Steam Deck trailer briefly plugs a Nintendo Switch emulator

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Re: Valve's latest Steam Deck trailer briefly plugs a Nintendo Switch emulator

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Wait, why should Valve not have done this? I know Nintendo likes to bully smaller folks but it's not like Valve is small or that they rely on keeping good terms with Nintendo, right? Edit: I guess I didn't realize Portal was on Switch.

Because it ruins their relationship with Nintendo.

Why would they need one? Just use an emulator

Re: Valve's latest Steam Deck trailer briefly plugs a Nintendo Switch emulator

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what has emulation got to do with not paying for the games?

Why would Valve advertise you could emulate if not for pirating games?

It's also worth noting that afaik dumping carts you own and playing them on an emulator is fine too. As long as you don't redistribute them.

Re: Valve's latest Steam Deck trailer briefly plugs a Nintendo Switch emulator

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Emulation has been deemed legal? Since when? You're not paying for the system or the games and playing them freely?

what has emulation got to do with not paying for the games?

Oh right. Legal distinction

Re: Valve's latest Steam Deck trailer briefly plugs a Nintendo Switch emulator

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what has emulation got to do with not paying for the games?

Why would Valve advertise you could emulate if not for pirating games?

1. Then you don't have to carry a steam deck and a switch.

2. This way you can buy physical copies of games, keeping full control and the ability to resell them, while also carrying your current game library on an SD card.

Edit: I forgot modding! That's a huge use of emulation.

Re: Valve's latest Steam Deck trailer briefly plugs a Nintendo Switch emulator

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To the people saying "it's completely legal, what can Nintendo do" it might be worth considering that not everything is about legal / not legal. Companies and people have relationships and it's not always about if something is technically allowed, it's about how it's being understood by the other party and in this case it's pretty clear that Nintendo is not a big fan of emulators.

Valve include access to Flathub on the Deck by default, a repository that distributes Yuzu. The degree of separation is a little larger than outright distributing on Steam, though must be said, Valve already distribute Nintendo emulators on the store including Wii/Gamecube via RetroArch. Switch is more recent, but Nintendo are still selling games that released on those platforms.

The only thing I can see this threatening is native JoyCon/Pro Controller support on Steam (more specifically use of their controller glyphs) if Nintendo want to get real vindictive. Otherwise there doesn't appear to be much of an existing relationship to be threatened.

Re: Valve's latest Steam Deck trailer briefly plugs a Nintendo Switch emulator

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To the people saying "it's completely legal, what can Nintendo do" it might be worth considering that not everything is about legal / not legal. Companies and people have relationships and it's not always about if something is technically allowed, it's about how it's being understood by the other party and in this case it's pretty clear that Nintendo is not a big fan of emulators.

Nintendo is notoriously as hostile as they come, especially to the PC gaming market. Since Valve is all-in on PC I don't see why they should be the ones to play nice.

Re: Valve's latest Steam Deck trailer briefly plugs a Nintendo Switch emulator

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The more emulation becomes mainstream the more money Nintendo will invest to illegalize it. You cannot legally get roms of commercial games, even if you own the game. Breaking of DRM is automatically copyright infringement according to the DMCA.

This is a very hazy area, made more hazy by the main method of getting games off of a Switch being a dev mode implemented by the hardware designers at Nintendo/Nvidia that is enabled by bridging two pins on the JoyCon connector which completely bypasses the DRM. Is using hardware features as designed "breaking" DRM? Hard to make that argument when they left the door wide open, unlocked and trivial to use.

There's also an exploit in the USB stack of the boot ROM involved, so it's not quite "using it as intended". I'd argue ntrboot on 3DS is much closer to what you're suggesting, using a built-in repair access mechanism dependent on long(er) broken crypto.

Re: Valve's latest Steam Deck trailer briefly plugs a Nintendo Switch emulator

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Pirating games. Valve doesn't care if you play games you buy not on their hardware (being their original business), while Nintendo doesn't want you playing Switch games on a computer even if you bought the game.

Can you play the same game on two devices from the same steam account without hiding offline?

Steam's presence API only supports one playing device at a time. It wouldn't be able to understand multiple active playing games on one account.

Re: Valve's latest Steam Deck trailer briefly plugs a Nintendo Switch emulator

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Because it ruins their relationship with Nintendo.

Do they have that much of one? I think they've had one Switch title (the Portal collection) and Nintendo doesn't really have anything on Steam as far as I know.

I would guess its much more subtle than this. Consider potentially nintendo refusing to port games that were on steam, or demanding more money/control over games that have overlap with steam.
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