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Can we end megafires? These companies are trying to

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#41

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The problem is that we don't allow stuff to burn naturally, so the answer is we should mess with nature even more . Amazing how humans just can't let anything alone. In 100 years the whole planet will just be one giant bonsai.

We often can't, without displacing humans and damaging property.

So you're saying that protecting property is more important than a sensible fire policy?

Re: Can we end megafires? These companies are trying to

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post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem is that we don't allow stuff to burn naturally, so the answer is we should mess with nature even more . Amazing how humans just can't let anything alone. In 100 years the whole planet will just be one giant bonsai.

Are you suggesting we depopulate the westen US then?

No. But there are obviously places where humans simply should not live, and we should respect that.

Re: Can we end megafires? These companies are trying to

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I'm curious, with such giant swathes of forest being burnt off annually, and large contiguous chunks being burnt up, leaving only smaller contiguous areas; 1) given the average size of a megafire, how many more megafires can happen (assuming regrowth to current fuel levels takes 50 years) 2) what is the largest megafire that could still happen, given the forested area unburnt for at least 50 years The chronicle has a…

I suggest you read this. It's the seminal work on the subject. https://megafirebook.com/

Re: Can we end megafires? These companies are trying to

#45

Fire is a natural part of the forest lifecycle. We shouldn't try to end it, we should build our housing and infrastructure to minimize the effects of fire on us.

> Fire is a natural part of the forest lifecycle.

Apart from ecosystems with Eucalyptus trees, I can't think of another environment where fire is a natural part of the forest lifecycle.

Re: Can we end megafires? These companies are trying to

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Such a beautiful article and really covers the root of the issue. I know we skim a lot of articles but this one really deserves to be read in full. The issue being that natural fires have been suppressed for so long that when they do burn there is so much fuel available that they get way hotter than is natural and end up sterilizing the soil so nothing grows for years. Prescribed burns and thinning are the answer to…

The problem is that we don't allow stuff to burn naturally, so the answer is we should mess with nature even more . Amazing how humans just can't let anything alone. In 100 years the whole planet will just be one giant bonsai.

Reminds me of how governments "solve" problems. ie, we introduced regulation A to solve problem A, which unintentionally causes side effect B and C. So we create regulations B and C which create market distortions E F G and H....

Re: Can we end megafires? These companies are trying to

#47
This is a peeve of mine that I see absolutely everywhere, none of our recent fires hold a candle (so to speak) to what was going on before humans started managing forests. Take a look at this chart from the UN[1], specifically pre-1960.

I guarantee every chart of wildfires you'll see on a major news site will begin after 1960. Typically they want to push the narrative that climate change is causing wildfires when in fact wildfires have everything to do with forest management and nothing to do with climate change. They are of course also ignoring the fact that climate models predict a _wetter_ planet, not a drier one, if current trends continue.

[1] https://www.fao.org/3/ai412e/ai412e09.jpg

Re: Can we end megafires? These companies are trying to

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post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We often can't, without displacing humans and damaging property.

So you're saying that protecting property is more important than a sensible fire policy?

I’m saying that the solution wont be a simple one dimensional solution that makes for a great soundbite. Because damage to private property does need to be considered in any governmental policy.

Re: Can we end megafires? These companies are trying to

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Such a beautiful article and really covers the root of the issue. I know we skim a lot of articles but this one really deserves to be read in full. The issue being that natural fires have been suppressed for so long that when they do burn there is so much fuel available that they get way hotter than is natural and end up sterilizing the soil so nothing grows for years. Prescribed burns and thinning are the answer to…

The problem is that we don't allow stuff to burn naturally, so the answer is we should mess with nature even more . Amazing how humans just can't let anything alone. In 100 years the whole planet will just be one giant bonsai.

How about when a wild fire (emphasis on wild) breaks out, we quickly extinguish it and note the location to come back in a few months and do a controlled burn in the same area without the risk to human life that letting a fire run free creates.
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