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I just use ad blockers. I haven't a YouTube ad in years.

I couldn’t do that. There are some amazing content creators on YouTube, and to deny them of ad revenue for their hard work would feel very wrong.

You'd probably do your favorite content creators better by directly donating to them, as opposed to relying on ad views.

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I think he is talking about other revenue streams that most large creators use. Such as ads the creators place in their own videos, merchandise, and direct payments (Patreon, subscribe star, etc).

I think everyone is aware of those additional revenue streams. For the vast majority of content creators they’re a tiny drop in the bucket and the real money is still overwhelmingly in YouTube placed ads. Op suggested advertising hasn’t been the revenue model for creators in 10 years which, upon further research is plainly false. He completely made up the claim in an effort to justify his use of ad block. By blocking…

I suppose it depends on the size of the channel. If you have more subscribers than you can negotiate higher pay for in video ad placements. From channels that I have heard talk about it, google ads make up a minority of their revenue. Perhaps it is not the most representative example but Linus Tech Tips only made 26% of their revenue from YouTube AdSense in 2020.

https://youtu.be/-zt57TWkTF4?t=537

Re: YouTube locks 4K playback behind Premium subscriptions in latest test

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This is reasonable. However, I don't like being forced to also pay for their music streaming service because I already pay for (and prefer) a different service.

The Premium Lite subscription doesn’t include Music.

Not available in my region (USA).

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Cute thought experiment: Google is notorious for snuffing products they consider unprofitable. Yet persisted with Youtube for 16 years. Why?

Because owning the world's biggest video distribution monopoly was worth 16+ years of losses for them. Same like owning Twitter. They have almost no competition.

bingo bango.

Youtube is worth it for them. This is just squeezing extra blood out of its users and seeing what they can get away with

Re: YouTube locks 4K playback behind Premium subscriptions in latest test

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Youtube was a jewel. Sign out, clear your cookies, and take a look at the default recommendations to a new user. It's a cheap TikTok clone. It's a shame, because I've learned so much. I have also wasted a lot of time and attention there. Edit: I should clarify "learned so much". I learned a lot by watching knowledgable and skilled people share their experiences and wisdom. However, there comes a point where you are j…

> Youtube was a jewel. Sign out, clear your cookies, and take a look at the default recommendations to a new user. It's a cheap TikTok clone.

How is this fair to Youtube? Youtube literally have no idea who you are (supposed to, anyways). What are they supposed to show to a random Youtube consumer? Whatever the average consumer finds interesting. Unfortunately for humanity, its TikTok videos.

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Can someone tell me how YouTube is supposed to make money without ads and premium service? No one has been able to give me a straight answer.

Cute thought experiment: Google is notorious for snuffing products they consider unprofitable. Yet persisted with Youtube for 16 years. Why?

Why? Because its probably the largest video hosting website by multiple orders of magnitude?

And you still hasn't given me a straight answer. Let's say YOU are Youtube, and you are trying to be an honest businessman (while staying alive). What would you do?

1. Turn it into a fully paid service. Which means you will probably never take off and some other guy will create an ((((free)))) alternative like Youtube.

2. Free service with premium features but people apparently don't like it because they feel like they are missing out.

I personally prefer 1 because that would remove 99% of the shitty videos that plague the website. I was saddened when I saw that people don't share my sentiment. That was the one moment where people have the opportunity to say "yes, let us pay you and you give us a direct and simple service". I easily "watch" around 12 hours of HD Youtube videos counting all the music in the background that I listen to. It is _definitely_ worth the premium price.

Re: YouTube locks 4K playback behind Premium subscriptions in latest test

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Firefox gives me a great ad-free YouTube experience.

If I only watched YT on the browser sure. But I mainly get it so I can go without ads on mobile and on my TV. Yes I know there are apps like Vanced but I personally find it worth it not have to always look for workarounds.

I'm referring to watching it on mobile. Firefox lets me run YouTube in the background too.

I don't watch YouTube on the TV. The experience is horrific.

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Uncompressed 1080p60 video is on the order of 3gigabit a second

Maybe he means lossy compression

That 3gbit is already lossy compression (chroma subsampling, bit depth compromises, framerate and size compromises)

You could store at a more usable bitrate - say 240mbit, and its even more lossy

Re: YouTube locks 4K playback behind Premium subscriptions in latest test

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Does Vimeo compresses the uploaded videos? I found their videos to be more "clearer" if that makes any sense.

All video is compressed in a lossy manner.

I have some 444 10 bit progressive files, you could argue that the mere act of sampling an analog domain is lossy, but if you accept a typical YUV422 as being non-lossy then I have a fair amount.

But yes you're right that typically video today will be stored in the 150-250mbit range which is lossy.

I imagine a typical youtuber will then compress that again out of their video editor to something like a 20mbit long-gop file and upload to youtube/vimeo. That platform then takes the original upload and makes a dozen or so versions and different frame sizes, bitrates and codecs to cater for different consumers

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Firefox gives me a great ad-free YouTube experience.

Yes but then creators and YouTube don’t get paid.

I honestly was fine before when there was only one ad, but now that YouTube ads are as long as some of the clips I watch I generally avoid it.

When people use YouTube, I'll use Firefox.

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