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Palantir Had Secret Plan to Crack UK’s NHS: ‘Buying Our Way In’

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Re: Palantir Had Secret Plan to Crack UK’s NHS: ‘Buying Our Way In’

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Post by roenxi »

anonymousDan wrote: post #15
3746648 wrote: post #3

Bloomberg used to be better. This is basically a non-story. The 'secret plan' was to use the nefarious mechanism of... Buying access that was for sale. All the allusions to shadyhandedness are just there to justify the existence of a story about Palantir because the author knew a story about a controversial company would propagate better even if it was devoid of anything meaningful to say.

This is so disingenuous. The whole point is that in a publicly funded health system many people disagree with this access being available in the first place. The UK government tries to paint a picture whereby giving such access will allow a raft of plucky UK startups to revitalize the NHS, when in reality we are just handing over our data and taxpayer money to the likes of Palantir.

One of the lesser-known risks of giving control of the health care system to the government is that the government will have control of the health care system.

It just isn't news that a company that specialises in getting government contracts has a plan to get a government contract. There are too many tautologies here to get interested in them. Next thing we'll discover that the politicians are running the healthcare system based on political calculations instead of medical advice!

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Post by hef19898 »

drstewart wrote: post #22
anonymousDan wrote: post #14

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So **ing what if UK healthtech isn't up to silicon valley 'standards'. As if the US healthcare system is anything to be envious of.

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The US system isn't up to anyones stabdard except the rich and powerfull.

On Palantir, all I've seen from them so far is one orbtwo levels shinier then what you can build in Excel, while costing more and providing less value.

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Post by hef19898 »

fooker wrote: post #32
missedthecue wrote: post #28

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What does Palantir do? What do customers pay them for?

Dashboards. That’s it.

Nah, also white washing data access in cases were a private company can get data and governments cannot.

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Post by robertkoss »

wuschel wrote: post #18
skippyboxedhero wrote: post #9

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It is the subject: NHS, Peter Thiel, CIA, Silicon Valley, privatization...the media coverage on this sort of stuff in the UK is deranged. Palantir is just offering a "shiny dashboard", we should build your own...it is that easy, just knock up a Palantir competitor in a weekend (the NHS has decent tech units, but core NHS is like this...they hire £20k "devs", ask why they are getting hacked all the time, nothing works…

I thought that Palantir is way more than a “shiny dashboard”, but that they managed to integrate data access and visualisation very well e.g. BASF is their customer for their Foundry product. Is there a detail overview somewhere what products Palantir actually has, and what technology it uses for these products?

The documentation is public. I think that Foundry is waaay more than a "shiny dashboard". Especially the concept of the ontology is ingenious in my opinion. Also the closing the loop concept is one of its kind.

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Post by dewey »

sva_ wrote: post #7
gsatic wrote: post #4

There has been talk of an EU version of Palantir for a while now. Anyone know what the latest news is? Technically it doesnt look like there is anything too complex about what Foundary does.

In Germany, the latest news is that it'll cost significantly more than they initially claimed (14 mil -> 40 mil) https://www1.wdr.de/nachrichten/landespolitik/nrw-polizei-da...

Who would've expected that!

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Post by VieEnCode »

oliwarner wrote: post #30
kmlx wrote: post #19

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publicly funded systems routinely use privately funded solutions. there’s nothing new or special here. that fact that people disagree means nothing and should be ignored as people disagree all the times about anything and everything.

No, that's relatively new. The NHS used to own its radiography suites. It used to own its land and buildings. It used to hire doctors and nurses and support staff directly. But because of a [also recent] forced-tender system, and high breakthrough prices on in-housing projects, it was deemed "cheaper" to let private providers burden the upfront costs of equipment, land and building management, and short contract mana…

This should be the top comment, but this place is full of Thiel Stans, hence their bemusement.

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Post by bidirectional »

EdwardDiego wrote: post #25
bidirectional wrote: post #24

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I feel like healing the sick, and caring for the poor, is something from a certain religion that some aspects of the Republicans would like to make the state religion. I've never understood the dichotomy between America's religious zeal, and the disinclination to put it into practice unless you're targeting abortion or gay people. Very selective.

I'm not American, I'm British and feel as though our approach to healthcare is hobbled by people who think the NHS is some saintly miracle and not a very expensive bureaucracy which provides mediocre value for money.
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