Notch is no longer lead developer on Minecraft • Hacker News Board

Re: Notch is no longer lead developer on Minecraft

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Post by sukuriant » Sat, Dec 03, 2011, 6:35 AM UTC

rayiner wrote: post #39

freehunter wrote: post #34

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It's not just the programming stuff I wish I could filter, it's the worship of Ruby, node.js, CSS, etc. Web languages that really aren't useful in the hacker sense of the word, but rather in the business sense of the word. My opinion wasn't so much about what would replace those posts, but what not having those posts would attract.

Hacker means people who hack on code. Why aren't languages like Ruby relevant.

It's not that they aren't relevant. I think it's the frequency of mention of said languages that is the problem to the above poster.

Re: Notch is no longer lead developer on Minecraft

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Post by freehunter » Sat, Dec 03, 2011, 6:36 AM UTC

rayiner wrote: post #39

freehunter wrote: post #34

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It's not just the programming stuff I wish I could filter, it's the worship of Ruby, node.js, CSS, etc. Web languages that really aren't useful in the hacker sense of the word, but rather in the business sense of the word. My opinion wasn't so much about what would replace those posts, but what not having those posts would attract.

Hacker means people who hack on code. Why aren't languages like Ruby relevant.

At least in my view of the term, creating intelligent code isn't "hacking". It's just being a good programmer. Hacking would be doing something that hasn't been done before on a wide scale with the intention of creating a result that varies from what an average user would expect. The jailbreakers hacked sideloaded applications onto their iPhone. The average user followed their directions and achieved expected, predictable results.

Ruby _can_ be used hacking. "How to recreate Path in Ruby" does not a "hack" make.

Re: Notch is no longer lead developer on Minecraft

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Post by Karunamon » Sat, Dec 03, 2011, 6:36 AM UTC

I'm really conflicted on Notch, Minecraft in general, and therefore this announcement.

Let's get the good out of the way first, Minecraft is an awesome game, and Notch (and his team) deserves every bit of kudos they've gotten for it. I bought the game back in alpha, and I've gotten more than my money's worth.

The bad? Lingering (big) problems that aren't being dealt with. SMP is still a mess when it comes to performance. There are a ton of bugs in what is supposed to be a final 1.0 release (Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXO6tYkjYMc)

I don't have to be a full time developer or a company owner to make a judgement call on whether that is a bad thing or not. Minecraft seems to be suffering from the same kind of featuritis that plagued Second Life for so long.

Mojang. Please. Fix old, no new.

Re: Notch is no longer lead developer on Minecraft

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Post by freehunter » Sat, Dec 03, 2011, 6:45 AM UTC

ceol wrote: post #37

freehunter wrote: post #34

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It's not just the programming stuff I wish I could filter, it's the worship of Ruby, node.js, CSS, etc. Web languages that really aren't useful in the hacker sense of the word, but rather in the business sense of the word. My opinion wasn't so much about what would replace those posts, but what not having those posts would attract.

This is anecdotal, but I've seen more Python articles in the past couple of weeks than Ruby. node.js is a pretty useful tool for random hackery, and most of the CSS articles have been "hacks" for creating cool UIs. I like to think of the "Hacker" in Hacker News as someone who employs neat tricks to get the job done. Are you looking for news related to network security?

Network security would be one aspect of hacking (actually the aspect I am employed in). Breaking out of the confines of an API would be another, or just doing something because you want to see if it can be done, not because you're following a tutorial on GitHub. Actually, someone on reddit put it best related to their plans for a Darknet project: "don't expect help from Hacker News, if it doesn't have a business plan they won't be interested." Hackers don't care about business plans. The site used to be called "Startup News", in the days when the original redditors were pining for the days of the original reddit base. Based on the content still present, Startup News is still quite fitting.

In short, simply re-creating something in a new-wave language is what I'm kind of complaining about. That's not "hacking", that's just good programming.

Re: Notch is no longer lead developer on Minecraft

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Post by resnamen » Sat, Dec 03, 2011, 8:07 AM UTC

freehunter wrote: post #21

jpeterson wrote: post #7

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Too late. HN has basically become reddit.com/r/programming in the last year or so. The glory days are over. You have to admire how long the quality remained high, though.

Even though I had to highlight the text of your comment to read it, you do echo a point that has kind of irritated me somewhat. On a website called "hacker news", 90% (hyperbole) of the links are related to designing flashy GUIs and selling social web startups and whatever the flavor-of-the-week web design trend is. There's very little "do it yourself, do it quickly, do what no one has done before" spirit, it's mostl…

I wish I could filter out the gadget-fanboyism. I guess I couldn't read it, but it's exasperating to see how much animosity is inflamed by such a petty subject.

Re: Notch is no longer lead developer on Minecraft

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Post by unkoman » Sat, Dec 03, 2011, 10:03 AM UTC

mmelin wrote: post #20

eCa wrote: post #19

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Unless of course he meant in the same way that you "passar" a hockey puck, in which case it is only an unusual choice of words.

It's a line from the Fattaru song Mina hundar.

Swedish rap. That sure was a new experience... http://grooveshark.com/s/Mina+Hundar/2pL3f4?src=5

Re: Notch is no longer lead developer on Minecraft

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Post by v21 » Sat, Dec 03, 2011, 12:56 PM UTC

Klinky wrote: post #29

v21 wrote: post #10

I'm glad this is the case. A common trap for indie developers is to make one game, have it be at least partially successful, and then to continue to make that game - making DLC, expansions, porting it to other platforms, making a multiplayer version etc. It makes me sad as a player, because it's done instead of developing something new. It's far better to pass on these porting efforts to other developers and to get t…

It makes me sad as a player, because it's done instead of developing something new. I think this is a problem of attitude. If you are so desperate for something new, why not create it yourself? The indie has every right to do what they feel like with their content, time, energy & money. They're not your monkey to dance & sing whenever you please. If you disagree with how they're spending their time, then spend your t…

I am an indie dev, and I do make things myself. But that in no way diminishes the pleasure I get at seeing other people's works, being delighted and surprised by a novel or well-executed bit of game. It's difficult to be delighted and surprised by your own works.

And yeah, they of course have the right to make what they want and I can in no way take that away from them. Remaking the same game might even be worth it, financially. But it doesn't build value like getting going making new IP can, and it doesn't give me something exciting and new to play. I'm allowed to ask, they don't have to give it to me.

Re: Notch is no longer lead developer on Minecraft

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Post by SquareWheel » Mon, Dec 05, 2011, 11:19 AM UTC

TylerE wrote: post #28

SquareWheel wrote: post #24

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I came over from Reddit this last month, the number of memes just become too much for me.

May I make the suggestion of installing Reddit Enhancement Suite. Unsubscribe from all the default sub/r's (wtf, offbeat,askreddit, etc), and block all posts from imgur and quickmeme, and things look a lot better.

I did all this actually. I blocked imgur, so the majority of the posts were from Tinypic. The whole community has changed.

Re: Notch is no longer lead developer on Minecraft

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Post by Klinky » Tue, Dec 06, 2011, 8:11 PM UTC

v21 wrote: post #47

Klinky wrote: post #29

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It makes me sad as a player, because it's done instead of developing something new. I think this is a problem of attitude. If you are so desperate for something new, why not create it yourself? The indie has every right to do what they feel like with their content, time, energy & money. They're not your monkey to dance & sing whenever you please. If you disagree with how they're spending their time, then spend your t…

I am an indie dev, and I do make things myself. But that in no way diminishes the pleasure I get at seeing other people's works, being delighted and surprised by a novel or well-executed bit of game. It's difficult to be delighted and surprised by your own works. And yeah, they of course have the right to make what they want and I can in no way take that away from them. Remaking the same game might even be worth it,…

Everyone likes new shiny things true, but the effort required to create new & shiny things consistently is extremely high, especially for a one man band. You probably know the effort required.

I get the idea that you like to see new concepts, but I don't get why you'd complain about people polishing old ideas. You suggest that it's keeping them from working on new ideas but just because something is new, doesn't mean it's good. Not every new thing someone puts out is gold. If they have a proven winner, then they should push & see how far they can take it.