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Re: iPhone = Privacy?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Does anyone here have a basis that could explain this bold statement ? It's just wrong. On iPhones, Airplane Mode turns off all radios except Bluetooth.

WiFi still remains on, no?

By default the WiFi system is turned off, but you can turn it back on individually. If you want to connect to an in-flight system for watching shows, as an example.

Re: iPhone = Privacy?

#42
Privacy wise, I'd argue that GrapheneOS and the like are not at all worse than an IPhone. You have a significant level of control with one of these rooted phones that have stock android.

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#43
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> When you put your phone in airplane mode, you are simply telling your phone's OS to stop using the mobile network. The baseband system is still on and can be pinged by the mobile network. I just started reading and there is already a sentence I don't believe very much, even less as a generalization. Does anyone here have a basis that could explain this bold statement ?

Technically, you are only asking your software to turn the modem off. It can disobey if it wants, you can't be sure.

The reason airplane mode exists is a radio 30000 feet above the ground violates assumptions baked into the terrestrial cellular architecture. If iPhones were regularly flying around with their radios enabled we would have heard about it by now.

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#44

Apple seems to prioritize privacy more than the competition, while for Google collecting, and combing through to monetize, your personal data is a big part of their business model. Much of this criticism seems misplaced or invalid. Apple tracks your IMEI? Well, sure, unless you choose otherwise, and they've given you a convenient place to turn off. Apple chipsets track your location down to the meter? Well, yes, that…

> The only one I agree on is the image scanning for CSAM. The idea of a device I own acting as a state informer using AI to detect what it thinks is a crime is not my idea of a step forward.

There's also a convenient place to turn it off: CSAM scanning doesn't happen if you don't use iCloud photos/files syncing.

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> When you put your phone in airplane mode, you are simply telling your phone's OS to stop using the mobile network. The baseband system is still on and can be pinged by the mobile network. I just started reading and there is already a sentence I don't believe very much, even less as a generalization. Does anyone here have a basis that could explain this bold statement ?

I think they probably mean that this switch is software-based, so turning it on does not physically disconnect the underlying hardware. I doubt there is any proof that some kind of system activity is still taking place while in airplane mode, but that might be irrelevant. For some people, depending on their threat model and personal preference, what's important is that it's impossible to prove beyond any doubt that t…

Ok I see, I understood the first sentence like you then but wasn't sure what was the point of a blanket statement there. I do feel like this this is something measurable with tool it could be easy to prove but I guess this isn't the point of this paper.

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post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Apple seems to prioritize privacy more than the competition, while for Google collecting, and combing through to monetize, your personal data is a big part of their business model. My TV also doesn't have data as its main business model, however ... it still collects data on me.

The cost of TVs is now heavily subsidized by the data-mining, though, whereas I don't see much evidence that's the case for Apple products, whatever their other problems (if such evidence does exist, I'd be interested to see it).

> whereas I don't see much evidence that's the case for Apple products

https://www.barrons.com/articles/apples-advertising-business...

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#47

Apple seems to prioritize privacy more than the competition, while for Google collecting, and combing through to monetize, your personal data is a big part of their business model. Much of this criticism seems misplaced or invalid. Apple tracks your IMEI? Well, sure, unless you choose otherwise, and they've given you a convenient place to turn off. Apple chipsets track your location down to the meter? Well, yes, that…

> has any real world privacy problem ever occurred because of this Yes. People who don't quite understand how Siri works will divulge a lot of personal information. There's many stories from workers at these third parties about how much intimate detail they've heard when listening to these clips. Now, that said, Google and Amazon do this too. It's truly a strike against all providers.

When you setup a new Apple device, Apple asks users whether they want to share Siri recordings with Apple.

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#48
post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Technically, you are only asking your software to turn the modem off. It can disobey if it wants, you can't be sure.

The reason airplane mode exists is a radio 30000 feet above the ground violates assumptions baked into the terrestrial cellular architecture. If iPhones were regularly flying around with their radios enabled we would have heard about it by now.

It doesn't have to do this "regularly", only when someone (not you) wants it.

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#49

Apple seems to prioritize privacy more than the competition, while for Google collecting, and combing through to monetize, your personal data is a big part of their business model. Much of this criticism seems misplaced or invalid. Apple tracks your IMEI? Well, sure, unless you choose otherwise, and they've given you a convenient place to turn off. Apple chipsets track your location down to the meter? Well, yes, that…

> has any real world privacy problem ever occurred because of this Yes. People who don't quite understand how Siri works will divulge a lot of personal information. There's many stories from workers at these third parties about how much intimate detail they've heard when listening to these clips. Now, that said, Google and Amazon do this too. It's truly a strike against all providers.

>There's many stories from workers at these third parties about how much intimate detail they've heard when listening to these clips.

Assuming those internet stories are even true - can anyone show me actual harm occurring to anyone based on Apple's use of Siri training? I've heard some Alexa stories, but frankly, Apple seems to do a really good job of protecting that information, at least so far, at least as far as the public knows.

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Apple seems to prioritize privacy more than the competition, while for Google collecting, and combing through to monetize, your personal data is a big part of their business model. Much of this criticism seems misplaced or invalid. Apple tracks your IMEI? Well, sure, unless you choose otherwise, and they've given you a convenient place to turn off. Apple chipsets track your location down to the meter? Well, yes, that…

> The only one I agree on is the image scanning for CSAM. The idea of a device I own acting as a state informer using AI to detect what it thinks is a crime is not my idea of a step forward. The likely reasoning behind this, although unspoken, was to (at some point in the future) enable E2EE for iCloud Photos. Currently, Apple doesn't do nearly any CSAM scanning on iCloud Photos[0], so the FBI et al. are pushing for…

Yeah, I'm a huge privacy advocate but the part people are missing with this fiasco is that client-side scanning before _anything_ is uploaded is objectively less invasive than every single photo being scanned on iCloud (the direction legislation is heading). Again, this is an _opt-in_ behavior when you enable iCloud Photos, for photos that you're trying to upload (currently not E2EE) anyway. The feature comes with the potential upside of allowing Apple to enable E2EE for all photos, while credibly proving to the government there's no CSAM.
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