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Dammit. We should have made the internal code name for this BADA55.
Haha you can keep that one in your back pocket :)
Thank you. D2BA DA55.
Cloudflare Calls
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#42Earlier quoted context omitted.
The focus on a different place in the stack is really, really key, though. It's what's letting them make the kind of "the whole Internet's middle-man" play that they are.
AWS is going for "the internet's backend". I don't see how that's any different. A SPOF is still a problem, no matter where in your stack it lives.
They're positioned to have much wider reach than even AWS. You probably wouldn't put AWS in front of GCP or Azure. You might put CloudFlare in front of any of those. And once you've done that, well, they offer these other services that compete with the backend you're already using....
Their position in the stack has a great deal of market relevance, which translates to risk if they realize that potential, because they could well end up being a critical part of more of the Internet than AWS is.
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#43This basically turns phone/video chat into a feature. If this actually works with 10.000 people in a room as advertised Zoom is in a lot of trouble.
Zoom is an app. This is an API for building apps.
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#44Earlier quoted context omitted.
> You never really see that if AWS adds a product, or GCP adds a product or any other products from bigger CDNs. Accusations of hypocrisy is not an argument. Instead of accusing me (and all other detractors) of not criticizing others enough, please elaborate why this isn’t what I described. Cloudflare (and others) keep releasing products which makes their central role more central and less vulnerable to competition.…
please elaborate why this isn’t what I described Approximately 1/3 of the most popular websites use Cloudflare[1]. That's not really an argument against the fact that Cloudflare might want to be 'the central server of the internet', but it's a suggestion that they have some way to go yet. I'd bet that Google Tag Manager and some AWS services are integrated into more than 1/3. [1] From https://backlinko.com/cloudflare…
Google Tag Manager can be down without affecting websites uptime and as a visitor I can block them. I do block them, by the way. So, it's quite central, but at least not really a point of failure.
AWS and Cloudflare, on the contrary… (and also Google products like fonts.googleapi.com, or probably anything under googleapi.com)
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#45> "With a traditional WebRTC implementation, both the patient and therapist’s devices would talk directly with each other, leading to exposure of potentially sensitive data such as the IP address... When using Calls, you are still using WebRTC, but the individual participants are connecting to the Cloudflare network. If four people are on a video call powered by Cloudflare Calls, each of the four participants' device…
> the patient and therapist’s devices would talk directly with each other
For health data that's what you want. So I'd like to see how it would go with the GDPR agencies if used in a medical app.
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#46Earlier quoted context omitted.
I know you know this but there is quite the difference between a multi-faceted cloud compute offering and the thing that holds my hoodie together.
The point is that it's possible for a company to focus on one thing for a long time. Do you dispute this?
I am, surprisingly, capable of understanding that companies can exist for long periods of time. Time to walk away lol
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#47They really do want to be the center of everything it seems. I wish they would stop trying to be the Cisco of Networking in the sense of trying to convince a lot of people to let them handle critical network functions for a ton of networks. All it will take is one major outage for everyone to see this is a bad idea. Why trust a cloud provider who could go down and take half the Internet with it? Why centralize it tha…
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#48Google missed their opportunity to do this: they've had Google Meet / Hangouts / ... for years. They have the same backend infrastructure that can scale to thousands and low latency to everywhere. Meet already does this with a custom Google protocol in the browser. If Google had just opened their APIs, they could have provided this to everyone...
Don't forget about Google Fi (which, it seems sometimes, that _Google_ has forgotten about) which ties it all together with traditional carrier services too. Well it did until they sunset Hangouts, I suppose.
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#49Another “Let’s make Cloudflare the central server of the Internet” service, from what I can see.
I'm really getting tired of this kind of take. You never really see that if AWS adds a product, or GCP adds a product or any other products from bigger CDNs. What do you suggest? Cloudflare should stop releasing products? Regulation that you are only allowed to handle x% of the total internet traffic?
> I'm really getting tired of this kind of take.
I'm really getting tired of this kind of hand-wavey response.
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#50I've been wondering when CF was going to build this for years. It only made sense given the moving parts in WebRTC.