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Three Nord Stream gas pipelines damaged in one day
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Re: Three Nord Stream gas pipelines damaged in one day
#42Rupture of the pipes is visible on seismic recordings: https://www.volcanodiscovery.com/earthquakes/quake-info/7054...
The pipes are typically ~1000 psi. That multiplied by the entire inner volume of a rather long pipe could totally make rather a bang...
Re: Three Nord Stream gas pipelines damaged in one day
#43Earlier quoted context omitted.
Putin already lost that game since he allowed most (all?) EU countries to fill their gas reserves beyond 90%.
For Germany, that's only a 2-1/2 month supply.
Do you have a recent source for that? The sources that I checked a few days ago all say that there's enough to get through the winter without any bigger changes (except maybe lowering consumption a bit): https://www.tagesschau.de/wirtschaft/unternehmen/gas-speiche...
Re: Three Nord Stream gas pipelines damaged in one day
#44Earlier quoted context omitted.
US since it destroys Putin's leverage against Germany.
As far as I can tell the Russian leverage has so far proven to be very small (it caused Germany to hesitate at the start of the invasion but right now Germany pushes heavily for supporting Ukraine) and it is decreasing for each day that the gas storage are getting filled and more LNG terminals near completion. Endangering this progress right now seems foolish.
Do you have a source vor LNG terminals nearing completion. I thought this would take years?
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#45Who would benefit from this?
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Re: Three Nord Stream gas pipelines damaged in one day
#46Biden himself told they would do it, and "promised they have ways to do it" (from ca 1:20):
Re: Three Nord Stream gas pipelines damaged in one day
#47Who would benefit from this?
Putin, because he gets an excuse to cut Germany off of Russian gas. It's game of chicken now: the West sends weapons to help Ukrainian army chase off all the Russian invaders, and Putin tries to make energy crisis in EU so severe that Europe is forced to negotiate with him, and accept Russian conquest of parts of the Ukraine. Whoever can stay on their course longer wins.
> Russian conquest of parts of the Ukraine.
I encourage you to drop the definite article "the" when referring to Ukraine.
https://theconversation.com/its-ukraine-not-the-ukraine-here...
Re: Three Nord Stream gas pipelines damaged in one day
#48Who would benefit from this?
Gas prices were dropping, half what they were at the peak. Putin wants gas prices to remain high to punish the EU and increase his own revenues. Since this incident they’re climbing back up. There are other ways for russia to export the gas than nordstream 1. He may think he can force an opening of nordstream 2. Putin has made so many errors in judgment that no strategy is too insane to be considered reasonable in hi…
Nordstream 2 is also hit. Otherwise an interesting thought.
Re: Three Nord Stream gas pipelines damaged in one day
#49Earlier quoted context omitted.
Anyone that wants to keep Germany off Russian gas no matter the developments.
But who is that? Ukraine should be fine with having Germany buy Russian gas since Germany keeps sending arms and push others to send arms. I don't see why the US would care either now that Germany is finally moving away from Russian gas. And Russia can just close the pipeline in a less destructive way.
The USA are the obvious answer. They've refused export licenses for gas for years specifically to keep US energy cheap so the US can compete with german industry.
China are another answer. If they can't get the gas, there is less incentive for peace so more chance of the conflict rolling on and distracting from their activities. Plus, more gas for them to buy more cheaply etc.
Chunks of the middle east as well, they want to replace Russian gas in European markets despite their higher prices.
The list really is quite long.
Re: Three Nord Stream gas pipelines damaged in one day
#50Who would benefit from this?
The US has the capabilities and an objective interest in destroying Nordstream 2. Both Trump and Biden have made threats and sanctions directed to Germany over the pipeline.
However the current German government is highly atlanticist and was nowhere near reopening Nordstream 2.
So it would make little sense for such an extreme move.