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Reading Soviet Sci-Fi at the End of the World

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Re: Reading Soviet Sci-Fi at the End of the World

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The protestors in Russia (the small number which is still on the streets) likely did not read any Soviet Sci-Fi at all. What they read is Harry Potter. The parable from Soviet Sci-Fi to the current events is quite confusing. It's an attempt to create a narrative where there isn't.

"The protestors in Russia (the small number which is still on the streets) likely did not read any Soviet Sci-Fi at all. What they read is Harry Potter."

Likely why? You got any real info?

Re: Reading Soviet Sci-Fi at the End of the World

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Whenever a reading list gets to the front page of HN, I always find the most interesting books to add from the comments! I did add Roadside Picnic from the link to my list, but thanks commenters for helping me find: - We (very excited about this one given the possible influence to 1984 and Brave New World) - Red Star - Monday Starts on Saturday

You can add “The Doomed City” to the list as well. It's an interesting take on the “aliens pull people from different places and times to conduct a social experiment” trope.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Doomed_City

Re: Reading Soviet Sci-Fi at the End of the World

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Poland was never part of Soviet union. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_Union

It was a part of Soviet Bloc though.

By the same logic a writer from Turkey which was part of Western Bloc should be called a western writer? What about a writer from Japan?

Re: Reading Soviet Sci-Fi at the End of the World

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Not exactly Soviet but "We" fits well here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/We_(novel)

"We" is remarkable in that it describes lots of failure modes of the Bolshevik revolution before they happened.

And also remarkable in that Orwell described its plot as "rather weak and episodic" before cheerfully ripping it off in his most famous work...

Re: Reading Soviet Sci-Fi at the End of the World

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I originally read Roadside Picnic as a teen, which, at the time, impressed me as an exciting sci-fi adventure. When I re-read it as a young adult, i saw it as a rather depressing tale asking the questions of sacrifice and duty. My other favorite by Strugatskys is A Billion Years Before The End Of The World (translated as Definitely Maybe), which you can read as a somewhat humorous story involving paranormal events, o…

I've had similar thoughts regarding the roadside picnic, the older I am, the more depressing it feels. I would highly recommend another Strugatskys book - 'Monday starts on Saturday', it is pure humor, as opposed to other works of theirs. It's about a soviet scientist that joins government's study on magic. Bureaucracy never been funnier, of course outside of 'The Twelve Tasks of Asterix', 1976.

Indeed, Monday starts on Saturday is better. Only Hungarian or Czech authors are similarily funny

Re: Reading Soviet Sci-Fi at the End of the World

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Reading Pelevin without knowing the cultural context is absolutely pointless. His books consist of references to movies, books, historical events, anecdotes, fairy tales, folklore songs, and many other elements of cultural heritage. I emphasize: his books consist of references, not just have them. Stories are based on intersections of meanings of different references.

Pelevin is not a sci-fi writer, and Pelevin is anything but a “soviet” writer. Pelevin is a 100% anti-soviet writer.

Re: Reading Soviet Sci-Fi at the End of the World

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The protestors in Russia (the small number which is still on the streets) likely did not read any Soviet Sci-Fi at all. What they read is Harry Potter. The parable from Soviet Sci-Fi to the current events is quite confusing. It's an attempt to create a narrative where there isn't.

"The protestors in Russia (the small number which is still on the streets) likely did not read any Soviet Sci-Fi at all. What they read is Harry Potter." Likely why? You got any real info?

That's Twitter crowd in Russia. Russian culture is not on Twitter hence it never existed as far as they are concerned.

Re: Reading Soviet Sci-Fi at the End of the World

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I had the privilege to read most of those books long time ago, but the best and pretty much the only one I reread every few years is "The Master and Margarita" by Mikhail Bulgakov...

Even now as an adult, sometimes I would dream that I can fly in the same way as Margot flew on top of the streets in Moscow...

It is just one of the greatest books ever, but I am not sure it can be fully understood and appreciated by people that did not spent some time behind the iron curtain...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Master_and_Margarita

Re: Reading Soviet Sci-Fi at the End of the World

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I originally read Roadside Picnic as a teen, which, at the time, impressed me as an exciting sci-fi adventure. When I re-read it as a young adult, i saw it as a rather depressing tale asking the questions of sacrifice and duty. My other favorite by Strugatskys is A Billion Years Before The End Of The World (translated as Definitely Maybe), which you can read as a somewhat humorous story involving paranormal events, o…

Haven't read Roadside Picnic, but I've seen Tarkovsky's Stalker several times. How do they compare? Stalker on it's own is an amazing piece of art. The Stalker in the monologue at the end laments that no one believes anymore (this seems to be Tarkovksy's critique of materialism and probably got him in trouble with the Soviet censors) - it can also be seen as depressing, but there's that bit at the very end when Stalker's daughter does that telekinesis thing which can be seen as being a bit hopeful for the future.

Re: Reading Soviet Sci-Fi at the End of the World

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This is a great comment to illustrate how ideology (especially various brands of nationalism) destroys genuine dialog. Instead of talking about the writers and their works people are now talking about which pigeonhole each writer belongs to. Not because those pigeonholes improve anyone's understanding of the books, mind you. It's a matter of taking credit for their works and applying those credits to the current meta…

> which pigeonhole each writer belongs to That strongly influences, actually directly shapes, what works does the writer or the artist produces.

> That strongly influences, actually directly shapes, what works does the writer or the artist produces.

You're putting the cart before the horse.

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