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US judge orders hundreds of sites "de-indexed" from Google, Facebook

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Re: US judge orders hundreds of sites "de-indexed" from Google, Facebook

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Post by charliesome »

JonnieCache wrote: post #33
danilocampos wrote: post #9

Look. I know it's HN and we're all very serious business here. And I'm not trying to be age-ist – my condemnation is strictly confined to mental state. But what. the fuck . do we do with these dinosaurs who know nothing of technology policy but have decided to go and make it anyway ? What do we do? The strategy of waiting for them to retire or whatever doesn't seem to be paying off.

We need to invent the following things so we can be forever truly free: 1) A secure, peer to peer DNS system with no registrars and a dynamic, heterarchical network of trust. 2) An encrypted version of TCP that we can drop in without anyone noticing. 3) A way of distributing keys for our encrypted transport layer without certificate authorities and again with a dynamic, heterarchical network of trust. 4) A secure, pe…

We've already got Namecoin and Diaspora, but neither appear to be catching on.

Re: US judge orders hundreds of sites "de-indexed" from Google, Facebook

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Post by alttag »

dchest wrote: post #22

Reading this order: http://www.scribd.com/doc/73773870/Chanel-Inc-v-Does-11-Cv-0... I wonder who is responsible for de-indexing and/or removing the domain names? Other points begin with "Plaintiffs shall...", "Defendants shall...", but in this point there's no party stated that must do the action: "The Group II Subject Domain Names shall immediately be de-indexed and/or removed from any search results pages of all In…

IANAL, but isn't this outside the court's scope of authority, as many (most?) aren't parties to the case? As I understand the role of judicial review and precedent, I don't see how a party not associated with a case can be compelled to do anything without a due process opportunity.

Re: US judge orders hundreds of sites "de-indexed" from Google, Facebook

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Post by andrewfelix »

dsplittgerber wrote: post #29

Not to be overly political, but: This is what you get when you support a modern liberal state. It's always going to over-extend and over-regulate, because that's just the way the bureaucracy works - it's preserving itself by always finding new areas of society and the economy that "just have to be regulated for the common good". It's a matter of basic principles, really. It's just never going to end unless you stand…

What if they had regulations limiting the judges oversight? What if there was a regulation that restricted evidence accepted from corporations? What if there was a regulation that allowed for some kind of process of appeal in these situations?

You appear to be forcing your black and white political ideals onto something that is a little more complex that "Regulation Bad! Market Good!"

Re: US judge orders hundreds of sites "de-indexed" from Google, Facebook

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Post by marshallp »

danilocampos wrote: post #9

Look. I know it's HN and we're all very serious business here. And I'm not trying to be age-ist – my condemnation is strictly confined to mental state. But what. the fuck . do we do with these dinosaurs who know nothing of technology policy but have decided to go and make it anyway ? What do we do? The strategy of waiting for them to retire or whatever doesn't seem to be paying off.

the tech/science community is the most able body of people in the country. I'm sure if there coordinated effort was made, it could put technologists in every office in the country.

Re: US judge orders hundreds of sites "de-indexed" from Google, Facebook

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Post by charliesome »

1010100101 wrote: post #40
stellar678 wrote: post #11

How can a judge possibly be so daft as to put a judgement against companies not even party to the lawsuit? If we find out these counterfeit goods are also coming over from China, should we tell UPS and FedEx they can no longer fly planes out of there?

So should they still comply with the order? Why or why not? Why not issue an injunction to US-based ISP's or even IXP's to filter the IP addresses these domains point to, or even whole address blocks? Do you think they would comply?

nitpick: both spellings are accepted

Re: US judge orders hundreds of sites "de-indexed" from Google, Facebook

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Post by dsplittgerber »

kstenerud wrote: post #35
dsplittgerber wrote: post #29

Not to be overly political, but: This is what you get when you support a modern liberal state. It's always going to over-extend and over-regulate, because that's just the way the bureaucracy works - it's preserving itself by always finding new areas of society and the economy that "just have to be regulated for the common good". It's a matter of basic principles, really. It's just never going to end unless you stand…

If it's only a liberal thing, then why was the bill submitted with bipartisan support?

There is no difference between US political parties as far as being in favor of regulating areas of society and life is concerned.

Re: US judge orders hundreds of sites "de-indexed" from Google, Facebook

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Post by jakeonthemove »

JonnieCache wrote: post #33
danilocampos wrote: post #9

Look. I know it's HN and we're all very serious business here. And I'm not trying to be age-ist – my condemnation is strictly confined to mental state. But what. the fuck . do we do with these dinosaurs who know nothing of technology policy but have decided to go and make it anyway ? What do we do? The strategy of waiting for them to retire or whatever doesn't seem to be paying off.

We need to invent the following things so we can be forever truly free: 1) A secure, peer to peer DNS system with no registrars and a dynamic, heterarchical network of trust. 2) An encrypted version of TCP that we can drop in without anyone noticing. 3) A way of distributing keys for our encrypted transport layer without certificate authorities and again with a dynamic, heterarchical network of trust. 4) A secure, pe…

But then you'd still be subject to existing laws - it's not like they're going away. With the same amount of effort, you could get the governments to stop making stupid decisions/laws or at least consult someone before they do.

But then again, they have tech consultants who never get a say because ruling in favor of those with money is better for the lawmakers' careers or pockets.

I do believe that most people are pretty comfortable with the current situation... when it'll start affecting more individuals, then the "anti-" movements will ramp up - it's always been that way...

Re: US judge orders hundreds of sites "de-indexed" from Google, Facebook

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Post by _delirium »

Joakal wrote: post #8
mindstab wrote: post #7

Is there really infrastructure available for this yet? Also "All Internet search engines"... Possibly the judge underestimates how many there are out there who will never even hear of this ruling without horrible SOPA legislature and infrastructure in place. Till then they can't seriously expect random search engine in my bedroom to track all legal rulings in this space. This is fantastically impossible. And it raise…

It is possible with Google to de-index websites. Look up Google chilling effects warnings. The judge can take it to mean that any search engines not complying are in contempt.

I'm no lawyer, but to be held in contempt of a court order, don't you actually have to be specifically named in the court order and notified of it?
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