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I accidentally started a movement – Policing the Police by scraping court data

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Re: I accidentally started a movement – Policing the Police by scraping court data

#41

I wonder if it is legal / possible to record police radio traffic and associate it with the records?

Alot of comms has moved to being encrypted. Before that yes it was considered public

You can still get the 'metadata'. ;)

Re: I accidentally started a movement – Policing the Police by scraping court data

#42

Is their any data sources we could scrape to stop crimes in our neighborhoods so the police don't have any reason to come around and cause problems?

You could scrape improved social safety nets, better access to birth control, and taxing the rich to pay for it.

How could we use that data to help prevent crime?

To best mimic the success of the original post, it would be good to be able to identify people doing the most damage to a neighborhood so we could help them first with tax relief, food, birth control, whatever would help the most.

Re: I accidentally started a movement – Policing the Police by scraping court data

#44
Hello! I'm the executive director. I have a design background, have done product management in the past, and aside from keeping the lights on at PDAP and making sure we're tax-compliant I am in a product role. I talk to people using police data, and figure out where we can add value to make the data more accessible.

TL:DR; If you want to write scrapers: go for it! Run your scraper, share the results in Discord and with your friends, and talk about the process. We'll be listening, and it will help us build tools to support this important work.

A few things to clarify:

a. The source of truth for "what are we doing right now" and "how can I contribute" is https://docs.pdap.io/.

b. Empowering people who write scrapers is a part of our broad mission of "police data accessibility", but we have some foundational work to do first! Right now our primary project is creating a database of police agencies and data sources. This will help people understand what kinds of data are available, at which agencies, with which steps to access it. It will also help us create archives of the primary sources, so that if they get taken offline we can still go back and scrape them.

c. What we have realized in the past few years: there are already a ton of people writing and using web scrapers for their day to day work. They are as decentralized as our police system. Our scrapers repo will reflect that. We shouldn't all rely on one library, or even one language. The people who need the data are most motivated to maintain scrapers, and we expect that maintenance will be ad-hoc and as-needed for the immediate future. In most cases, data already published on the internet is useful to local users as-is.

d. If you have a question you'd like to answer about the police, here's the investigation process:

1. Determine whether public data exists to answer your question. Use google to find the appropriate agency, and see what they're publishing. 2. Determine how it can be accessed; do you need to make a FOIA request? Is there a URL? 3. If there's a URL, determine whether you need to write a scraper to access the records. Often, the records can simply be downloaded. 4. Write and run a scraper, if you need one! 5. If there's not a URL, make a records request for the public information. This is a long and complicated process. 6. Share the data with your friends.

This means that scrapers are helpful and necessary some of the time; but not always, and not as the first step. We're trying to help with steps 1, 2, 3, 5, and 6. The theory is that writing scrapers is something people can easily slot in and help with; and that, depending on what question you're trying to answer, two scrapers for the same data source might look wildly different.

Scrapers are an important part of the ecosystem, but they're one piece of the puzzle.

Re: I accidentally started a movement – Policing the Police by scraping court data

#45

Is their any data sources we could scrape to stop crimes in our neighborhoods so the police don't have any reason to come around and cause problems?

It would be interesting to do this too. Although this is going to be a yak shave (a good one) - changing the upstream things that cause people to turn to crime.

Re: I accidentally started a movement – Policing the Police by scraping court data

#46

Is their any data sources we could scrape to stop crimes in our neighborhoods so the police don't have any reason to come around and cause problems?

You could scrape improved social safety nets, better access to birth control, and taxing the rich to pay for it.

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Re: I accidentally started a movement – Policing the Police by scraping court data

#47

I wonder if it is legal / possible to record police radio traffic and associate it with the records?

As a long time scanner enthusiast, if you actually spend anytime listening to PD radios (which is legal and easy), you will be disappointed with how little information actually goes out over the unencrypted air - just enough to get units rolling, after that, very little, for obvious reasons.

Re: I accidentally started a movement – Policing the Police by scraping court data

#48
Thank you for your work with this! One question I have:

You say in your FAQ "We aren't a watchdog—our activism is data collection and accessibility, not analysis or research."

Can you note any instances of other people using your data for analysis or research?

Re: I accidentally started a movement – Policing the Police by scraping court data

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I think if a project like ours ever did use blockchain, it would be behind the scenes as a part of the product; decentralization and transparency are key parts of our ethos! However, it's too unstable and as you can see by the comments, mentioning "web3" costs a lot of credibility in many, or maybe most, communities online.

https://knish.io/ is a good example of people using blockchain to make real products. I don't know that it's ready though.

Re: I accidentally started a movement – Policing the Police by scraping court data

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Hello! I'm the executive director. I have a design background, have done product management in the past, and aside from keeping the lights on at PDAP and making sure we're tax-compliant I am in a product role. I talk to people using police data, and figure out where we can add value to make the data more accessible. TL:DR; If you want to write scrapers: go for it! Run your scraper, share the results in Discord and wi…

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