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Related: Amazon’s $23M book about flies (2011) - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24809866 - Oct 2020 (81 comments) Amazon’s $23M book about flies (2011) - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16247254 - Jan 2018 (106 comments) Amazon’s $23M book about flies (2011) - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10289742 - Sept 2015 (94 comments) Amazon’s $23,698,655.93 book about flies - https://news.ycombinator.com/item…

How do you find previously posted thrrads ? is there a specific script or they remember stuff really well ?

Re: Amazon’s $23M book about flies (2011)

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This is interesting so I actually developed what should happen instead, mostly. Like where to price for differentiation, clearly undercutting sometimes with a lower price and at other times, when that doesn't make sense, instead raising the price by a bit to end up in an uncrowded price point. Ideally to over time make sense to buy at that price point, with merit, or just being a unique price.

Price is a strong indicator of quality, tells you a lot about clothes when there is no outside reference. Price means that is what the seller will take for the good, a webpage they serve is effectively a call option contract on the webpage when you load it. That's what we determined as a group, the minute bhphotovideo.com loads up a page with a number on it that's a contract to buy at that price--like until there's no stock or until there's a timeout of some kind, the two conditions that got them out of the terms back when the terms were ads on radio. bhphotovideo.com includes terms refusing business on Shabbat, Saturdays, which is uncommon, that also applies and affects things. I think shopping carts work but purchasing doesn't. Webpages about products with prices are call options. Right but not the obligation to buy that good at that price. The seller must honor that price if the right is exercised.

That right lasts perhaps a day, some amount of time to decide without the price going up or down as one thinks about it. On the phone with airlines, you can get a price for a ticket this way, and it's valid until you end the call. Get ahold of the money during the call, and pay it, and it's yours. It can be an hour, it gets stretched out, it is reserved while the flyer is on the phone. The call option has a fixed price, despite the good perhaps fluctuating minute to minute, Amazon prices very keenly. In practice by authorizing the transaction all the pages involved with all the advertising and all the legal language and the pictures, the specs, they all become the terms of the transaction. It seems like there is a lot of liability on the seller's part, and it truly is, it is very competitive, but the number that carries most weight is the price. In the end that price can determine a good deal or a bad deal, or a purchase or losing the purchase to a competitor with lower prices. So in a very crowded market, with say five widgets at $10, and three at 11$, a good currently at $12 must decide carefully--what is the cost of goods sold? If it's low by all means undercut and price at $9, or perhaps $8. Whereas if it costs $10 already, the best is to sell for $13 or so, in a category of its own. And eventually identify that price point's needs and values, what they expect and what better work to justify charging that. But there will be more profits at the higher price point for the latter, the marking up on the one hand and on the other some number of customers will trust it to deserve that price point, whereas charging the same price as 5 other widgets would not work. Critical that the good isn't strictly inferior to the competition, like has or licensed an innovation that gives it at very least a story which cheaper widgets aren't always better, or that it defies the limits of the product category.

So that was going to be a piece of mathematical theory, like give robust and consistent advice on when to undercut and when to instead elevate the product with a unique price. Hey, some people want whatever they can buy with some amount of money they have, others think the game is about buying the middle-of-the-road good, that that is most reasonable. Others will say what matters is the brand or how hot the tech is, if protected that provides a huge margin always, no need to undercut. Instead when they are recognized they can raise the price to be distinguished.

I had it working mostly. Gave consistent answers never got to $23 million books. Kept the prices stable.

Re: Amazon’s $23M book about flies (2011)

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Occam's razor. Automated pricing, not laundering, lol. Amazon provides an interface for it. Provide rules for automatically updating price. Very common in the online book market. https://sellercentral.amazon.com/help/hub/reference/external...

Mmm...yeah it's like ebay's auction system, you can tell it how high you will go but...no, just no. Better to just wait until the last moments of the auction and then tell ebay in successive increments--in a real auction--how high you're willing to go. Can't let people see your reserve price generally. It's very private, essential to private property. Without it, and without competition, you give up everything you have and nothing actually makes life better than not having it. Well like there can be ultimatums, that's the alternative.

Re: Amazon’s $23M book about flies (2011)

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post #38

Related: Amazon’s $23M book about flies (2011) - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24809866 - Oct 2020 (81 comments) Amazon’s $23M book about flies (2011) - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16247254 - Jan 2018 (106 comments) Amazon’s $23M book about flies (2011) - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10289742 - Sept 2015 (94 comments) Amazon’s $23,698,655.93 book about flies - https://news.ycombinator.com/item…

How do you find previously posted thrrads ? is there a specific script or they remember stuff really well ?

This is a frequently asked question! here are some of the previous answers -

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29370676 (Nov 2021)

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28981484 (Oct 2021)

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28441182 (Sept 2021)

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27726982 (July 2021)

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27284079 (May 2021)

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27236708 (May 2021)

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26886074 (April 2021)

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26244468 (Feb 2021)

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26158300 (Feb 2021)

The amusing thing (since meta is a form of crack) is that I used the same tool to look these up.

Re: Amazon’s $23M book about flies (2011)

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I think I stumbled across similar behaviour, but for a used book. I was looking for a particular computer science book, couldn't find it new, and then decided to buy a used one from Amazon, ordering from the store with the best rating. It didn't arrive, and after a while (a few weeks) I received a notice that the delivery service had lost the book. I was refunded the money, though. The tracking number I got for the b…

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Re: Amazon’s $23M book about flies (2011)

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I think I stumbled across similar behaviour, but for a used book. I was looking for a particular computer science book, couldn't find it new, and then decided to buy a used one from Amazon, ordering from the store with the best rating. It didn't arrive, and after a while (a few weeks) I received a notice that the delivery service had lost the book. I was refunded the money, though. The tracking number I got for the b…

Here in Thailand, there were cases where the shop sent a package containing cash amount paid by the customer because they didn't have the item they sold. This was an attempt to avoid some negative repercussions from the platform they were selling on (Shoppe, Lazada). Totally mental.

At least they didn't just keep the money.

Re: Amazon’s $23M book about flies (2011)

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Related: Amazon’s $23M book about flies (2011) - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24809866 - Oct 2020 (81 comments) Amazon’s $23M book about flies (2011) - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16247254 - Jan 2018 (106 comments) Amazon’s $23M book about flies (2011) - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10289742 - Sept 2015 (94 comments) Amazon’s $23,698,655.93 book about flies - https://news.ycombinator.com/item…

There's the original 2011 thread, Amazon’s $23,698,655.93 book about flies: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2475854

Re: Amazon’s $23M book about flies (2011)

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post #38

Related: Amazon’s $23M book about flies (2011) - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24809866 - Oct 2020 (81 comments) Amazon’s $23M book about flies (2011) - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16247254 - Jan 2018 (106 comments) Amazon’s $23M book about flies (2011) - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10289742 - Sept 2015 (94 comments) Amazon’s $23,698,655.93 book about flies - https://news.ycombinator.com/item…

HN search for "book about flies" turns up 8 threads as the top results. In addition to the current thread, these three, and one posted in a sibling comment:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30683634

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15471621

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2494910

Naturally, those three threads have no discussion on them.

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