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Re: Europe gas storage reserves – by country, updated daily

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Post by derriz »

Traubenfuchs wrote: post #17

Those numbers ARE ABSOLUTELY WORHTLESS. "capacity filled in percent" is a WORTHLESS METRIC that tells the lay reader NOTHING at all. Austria might have a max capacity of 60% of their yearly demand, Germany might have 200% (made up numbers for illustration). In that case with full capacity, Austria could survive 4 months, while Germany could go two years. Yes, this disregards cross-country sharing, but even averaged a…

The answer to your question "How long can we go without new gas?" would be a meaningless metric if not accompanied with a large amount of qualification.

What is meant by "without new gas"? Without LNG shipments? Without local/European produced NG? Or just without Russian NG imports? Without any imports?

What does it mean "to go"? To consume at some historical rate? Consumption varies with NG prices - recently consumption has been curtailed as a result of high NG prices. At a macro scale, NG consumption has been falling. Europe-wide annual consumption is about 20% less than it was 10 years ago.

And an unqualified time answer - say one month, for example - would be meaningless as the rate of gas consumption is highly seasonal at various scales (daily, weekly, annually). A winter month is not equal to a summer month for example.

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Post by z9znz »

MandieD wrote: post #27
benj111 wrote: post #3

It would be interesting to know the end game here. If the Ukrainian war ends, I assume that isn't the end of it. I assume the taps from Russia will turn back on, but it has shown itself to be an unreliable supply.

A view from Germany: Up to Russian invasion this February: old oil furnaces were being avidly replaced with natural gas ones. Solar installations were starting to slack off. Lots of re-roofing and new exterior wall insulation. Since then: no slacking in the roofing and exterior wall insulation, but now everyone has a keen interest in heat pumps, and solar panels are being installed everywhere. Gonna be hard to convin…

Few people want to plan ahead (and spend the money that goes along with being prepared)... until they are in trouble.

I won't say that good things have come from this war, but it certainly is a wake-up call for countries to get their future plans in better order.

There is simply no excuse for the most industrially advanced country in the world (Germany) to have slacked off so much when it comes to energy. It must be some political angle, because not too many years ago Germany was one of the leaders in expanding their renewable energy sources.

Re: Europe gas storage reserves – by country, updated daily

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Post by pydry »

Neil44 wrote: post #20

This is strange, everything I heard is that Germany is in trouble with the gas situation but here it seems they have the most stored gas? Is this correct in content and meaning?

They also have the largest population, produce no gas, have no LNG import capacity and have a bunch of industries built around cheap natural gas. Storage isnt the whole picture.

Re: Europe gas storage reserves – by country, updated daily

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Post by MandieD »

lucumo wrote: post #29
yabqk wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Reducing energy consumption will only lead to impoverishment.

Not all reduction of consumption decreases output. For example, leaks could be plugged, insulation can be improved, more efficient machines could be used. Also, not all output is equal, not does all output have to be done at a fixed time. Heating homes has to be done during winter, but some factories can postpone production a few months to wait for more favourable circumstances. Furthermore, it's only a reduction in…

For example, a lot of cities in Germany cut back on indoor pools this summer, and are considering it for the winter.

Sounds trivial, but keeping 25m long indoor pool 23-24 degrees in the winter takes a lot of energy.

It would suck for people who had gotten used to them being open again after the Covid years, but wouldn’t have much negative economic impact.

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Post by Tade0 »

twawaaay wrote: post #38
lqet wrote: post #11

To put this in relation, here is a comparison of gas storage capacities in Europe: https://erdgasspeicher.de/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/ines_ga... Here is table from Sunday which also shows the total gas stored in each country, along with the capacity ("Working volume"), annual consumption, and injection / withdrawal capacities: https://agsi.gie.eu/ Missing from the list is Switzerland, which does not have any gas st…

To make it even better it would be useful to have the stored amount per capita and also number of days the country can rely on stored amount. Although I understand the usage will heavily depend on the weather and how far the country will go in restricting the usage of gas reserves (for example, shutting down various production sectors).

Additionally the level of dependence on Russian gas differs between countries as well.

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Post by mcintyre1994 »

I think this would be a lot more useful if it showed the capacity. Our problem in the UK isn't keeping our reserves at capacity, it's that they're tiny.

Also what does Daily Trend mean here? I thought it'd be the percentage change since yesterday, but the UK having a negative daily trend and being at 100% now wouldn't work with that.

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Post by seydor »

type0 wrote: post #13

Ukraine is at 28.4%, that probably speaks how much reserve storage they have. After the war it will be important location for Azerbaijan gas transit (via Georgia and Black Sea). The pipeline will take some time to build, but it will make it more likely that they eventually join the EU and NATO as well.

So from one dictator to another

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Post by aivisol »

WastingMyTime89 wrote: post #16
type0 wrote: post #13

Ukraine is at 28.4%, that probably speaks how much reserve storage they have. After the war it will be important location for Azerbaijan gas transit (via Georgia and Black Sea). The pipeline will take some time to build, but it will make it more likely that they eventually join the EU and NATO as well.

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> Poland and Hungary, two countries which should never have been allowed to join and are currently causing the union a lot of issues

May I know why exactly these two countries should not be allowed to join EU? Because they cause issues? I mean, every country causes some issues. In the current context Germany and its former government lobbying for Russian gas causes issues of perhaps much larger scale. Tell me about corruption.

Re: Europe gas storage reserves – by country, updated daily

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Post by Tade0 »

WastingMyTime89 wrote: post #16
type0 wrote: post #13

Ukraine is at 28.4%, that probably speaks how much reserve storage they have. After the war it will be important location for Azerbaijan gas transit (via Georgia and Black Sea). The pipeline will take some time to build, but it will make it more likely that they eventually join the EU and NATO as well.

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Have you ever been to any of the mentioned countries or spoken with people from there, or is your opinion based on what you hear and see as an outsider?
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