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Google's 'Rest and Vest' Days for Senior Employees Are Over, Says CEO

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Re: Google's 'Rest and Vest' Days for Senior Employees Are Over, Says CEO

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Post by marssaxman »

googlryas wrote: post #13
KerrAvon wrote: post #3

Why would I ever want to work at Google if the management setup tolerates this sort of organizational flotsam? What a poorly managed place it must be if there’s no chain of accountability for senior employees.

It doesn't, in my experience. In the previous incarnation of the perf review system(which just slightly changed recently), there were effectively 3 buckets: Needs improvement, meets expectations, and exceeds expectations. The first one is "I'm going to get fired ASAP if I don't improve". The second one is still viewed as a failure even though you're meeting every aspect of your current role. The third one is "okay go…

Why do people at Google seemingly care so much about promotions?

Re: Google's 'Rest and Vest' Days for Senior Employees Are Over, Says CEO

#42

Post by riku_iki »

yakak wrote: post #37
riku_iki wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Google search has 92% market share. its generic search, when you go to vertical searches, say Amazon may beat google for shopping searches. Reddit can build good search one day, and many people including me will switch to searching inside reddit, instead of adding "reddit" to google search query. You are right, google is currently generic search monopoly, but we were talking about ads, and there are plenty of other…

I think the discussion was any monopoly that serves as a cash cow to enable poor management. For comparison, AT&T had a monopoly only on long distance, so people could choose drastically different behavior if they wanted to defund AT&T. I.e. you didn't need to move out of the region where most of your relations lived but it was a better deal to pay AT&T's tax (and regional monopolies charged more than true long dista…

Ok, but rant above was about decision makers, and looks like decision makers did just fine in building monopoly, 10 years ago google had 60% of search share, with Y and B another 15% each.

Also, it is not clear how much money google makes from search specifically, and how much from other verticals where there is stronger competition.

Re: Google's 'Rest and Vest' Days for Senior Employees Are Over, Says CEO

#43

Post by kyrra »

melony wrote: post #15
kyrra wrote: post #8

Googler, opinions are my own. The article links to another piece talking about coasters[0]. Maybe this is from being a grunt senior SWE, I don't think I've ever met a coaster at Google (that gets away with it). People that I knew were slackers that I've worked with have been ushered out the door (or left on their own accord when they couldn't get promo, or were getting low ratings). But I only interact with a tiny fr…

Are you an employee who worked his/her way up or are you one of those who were acquihired?

I was previously at Cisco (which aquired Sourcefire, where I was at). That acquisition went poor, so I applied to Google. I did the interview process as a normal SWE at Google. Been there around 7 years now, all in payments.

Re: Google's 'Rest and Vest' Days for Senior Employees Are Over, Says CEO

#44

Post by googlryas »

marssaxman wrote: post #41
googlryas wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It doesn't, in my experience. In the previous incarnation of the perf review system(which just slightly changed recently), there were effectively 3 buckets: Needs improvement, meets expectations, and exceeds expectations. The first one is "I'm going to get fired ASAP if I don't improve". The second one is still viewed as a failure even though you're meeting every aspect of your current role. The third one is "okay go…

Why do people at Google seemingly care so much about promotions?

+25% total comp I imagine. Also a lot of them are in the sf/sv housing market and think they'll never be able to buy a house even making 250k/yr

Re: Google's 'Rest and Vest' Days for Senior Employees Are Over, Says CEO

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Post by riku_iki »

dzhiurgis wrote: post #36
riku_iki wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They are a de facto monopoly on online advertisement networks worldwide. that's not true, there are plenty of competition, meta, tiktok, reddit, display exchanges, amazon, apple. If they will deliver better ROI from ads, advertisers will be happy to switch budgets from google.

Can anyone but google scrape the web? No. Tons of websites won't let you unless you are googlebot. Can anyone put serve ads on Google SERPs? No, only Google. We don't even have any transparency how it works. Google is turning into utility and should be regulated as such. At the very least we should regulate how their support is done.

> Can anyone but google scrape the web? No. Tons of websites won't let you unless you are googlebot.

I though cloudfare has some way to onboard other bots too.

Re: Google's 'Rest and Vest' Days for Senior Employees Are Over, Says CEO

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Post by dmitrygr »

marssaxman wrote: post #41
googlryas wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It doesn't, in my experience. In the previous incarnation of the perf review system(which just slightly changed recently), there were effectively 3 buckets: Needs improvement, meets expectations, and exceeds expectations. The first one is "I'm going to get fired ASAP if I don't improve". The second one is still viewed as a failure even though you're meeting every aspect of your current role. The third one is "okay go…

Why do people at Google seemingly care so much about promotions?

Pay bands are relatively narrow. The only way to a serious raise is promotion.

Re: Google's 'Rest and Vest' Days for Senior Employees Are Over, Says CEO

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Post by melony »

kyrra wrote: post #43
melony wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you an employee who worked his/her way up or are you one of those who were acquihired?

I was previously at Cisco (which aquired Sourcefire, where I was at). That acquisition went poor, so I applied to Google. I did the interview process as a normal SWE at Google. Been there around 7 years now, all in payments.

Ask around some of your colleagues who joined as acquihires, especially the early ones.

Re: Google's 'Rest and Vest' Days for Senior Employees Are Over, Says CEO

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Post by klipklop »

googlryas wrote: post #44
marssaxman wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do people at Google seemingly care so much about promotions?

+25% total comp I imagine. Also a lot of them are in the sf/sv housing market and think they'll never be able to buy a house even making 250k/yr

This is exactly it. After they hit whatever promo level that let’s them buy a home they usually stop trying to climb so hard unless they are really ambitious.

If you want your partner to stay home and help raise the kids you probably have to make L6 at a minimum.

You can make $250k and have zero chance of buying a single family home in the South Bay now. Prob need a household income around $300-350k before it starts to become reasonable. The recent interest rate hikes really jumped up the monthly payments. Dumpy houses can go for $2m, USD but that is slowly trending down.

Re: Google's 'Rest and Vest' Days for Senior Employees Are Over, Says CEO

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Post by riku_iki »

effingwewt wrote: post #31
riku_iki wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> In the long term, this could severely impact the perception of Google for prospective employees, which in turn could hinder their ability to hire talent. it could be opposite, talents usually interested in challenging work with appropriate rewards, while current message is about cutting mediocre employees.

Every comment I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt and then watching you squander it. No engineer worth their salt is going to work for these companies after this. The 'mediocre employees' as you put it are exactly what GP was talking about. It's victim blaming at its finest. Remember- google only hires the very best. You are shilling so hard you've now entered complete fallacy territory. You are not just making s…

I guess you are the one who received pip.

Re: Google's 'Rest and Vest' Days for Senior Employees Are Over, Says CEO

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Post by effingwewt »

riku_iki wrote: post #49
effingwewt wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Every comment I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt and then watching you squander it. No engineer worth their salt is going to work for these companies after this. The 'mediocre employees' as you put it are exactly what GP was talking about. It's victim blaming at its finest. Remember- google only hires the very best. You are shilling so hard you've now entered complete fallacy territory. You are not just making s…

I guess you are the one who received pip.

Sick burn, man you really destroyed my argument with that one sentence.

I'd have to work for a bigco to get put on a pip.

I can see now you are just trolling in bad faith, come back when you have an actual thought to elucidate.

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