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It seems that the good times for online Minecraft play are over

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Re: It seems that the good times for online Minecraft play are over

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Post by kragen »

Minetest is probably the best Minecraft alternative; it's free and open source software, which avoids the danger associated with centralized retaliation systems like the one Microsoft is operating. Also, it's easier to write mods for, partly because mods are written in Lua, and you don't have to install mods on the client, just the server.

https://www.minetest.net/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6Fyav6FiIs

The video's author doesn't mention it by name, but the quantum computing tutorial game he's playing in a couple of the clips is called QiskitBlocks; it's a series of puzzles designed to teach you how quantum computing works.

The (public) games that run on the Minetest engine are listed on https://content.minetest.net/packages/?type=game. QiskitBlocks in particular is https://content.minetest.net/packages/JavaFXpert/qiskitblock....

Re: It seems that the good times for online Minecraft play are over

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Post by nightpool »

TakeBlaster16 wrote: post #40
lolinder wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Roblox has been mired in controversy for years for failing to keep their platform safe enough for the kids they target. I'm not familiar enough to comment on the details of that controversy, but I would be surprised if that didn't feature prominently in Microsoft's decision here.

What if they ran official Microsoft servers with moderated chat, but also let you join custom servers after showing a scary warning message (and maybe checked your account birthday or something too). Would that not be enough to free them of liability?

They tried that in 2020, but it didn't seem to work effectively enough.

Re: It seems that the good times for online Minecraft play are over

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Post by dleslie »

rstat1 wrote: post #39

Never seen people make such a huge deal out of nothing like this before. Like this is borderline ridiculous. Its soo much easier to not get banned from something than is to. Literally just don't be an idiot. Its not that hard.

> Literally just don't be an idiot. Its not that hard.

Kids are often antisocial and exhibit poor behavior. Kids also love Minecraft.

Permanent, Microsoft-account level bans for questionable chat text is ridiculous.

Re: It seems that the good times for online Minecraft play are over

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Post by aliqot »

lolinder wrote: post #27
OrangeMonkey wrote: post #26

Quoted post unavailable.

Any attempt to understand "the users here" as a unit is misguided. Hacker News doesn't have a single opinion on anything. You get a different sub-community showing up for each thread depending on topic and time of day, so the sentiment will always fluctuate from thread to thread.

I oppose censorship in any form.

It's the only perfect system that is achievable and can be what it claims, a space free of censorship. There is no 'only the bad things' that can be censored, as you've illuminated here, different people will have different sensibilities.

In the mean time, however, we can educate ourselves and steel our nerves as we may come across ideas and content we don't agree with or care to be exposed to. As responsible netizens we shouldn't let it affect us to hysterics and cries of censorship, and instead stay away from the places that do. It starts with personal agency and responsibility for yourself and those you're charged with rearing.

Re: It seems that the good times for online Minecraft play are over

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Post by bisby »

garciasn wrote: post #19
ceeplusplus wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1. Minecraft has a lot of kids playing it, particularly kids whose parents blame Microsoft for poor behavior rather than learning to parent. 2. California recently passed a bill which would fine companies which fail to prevent kids from accessing features which are "detrimental" to children's health [1]. Naturally, Microsoft doesn't want to get fined for what edgy gamers say online. 3. (speculation) The censorship po…

My 12 year old has been bombarded with the message this is coming and will be the end of HyPixel/SkyBlock from many of the prominent Minecraft YouTubers he watches. Let me tell you: if my money is down the drain because some little jackwagon mass-reports some random server and my kids’ accounts are locked, I’m gonna be fucking furious. If the hoopla around this is true, Microsoft is going to relive its 1990s level ha…

Microsoft profits off Bedrock ("Minecraft for WIndows") because they can charge for basically everything, because there are no mods (addons). Java edition is where the mods are. Which is why hypixel/skyblock are on java edition. Ive seen speculation that Microsoft is adding this to have a process for banning java edition players. And then they just... stop selling java edition. Then there are no new java players ever again, and the existing player pool slowly dwindles because they either get banned, or their friends get banned and they don't want to play java alone, and the only option is to go to the microtransaction-fest that is bedrock. And now you live in their walled garden.

I would say that this is pure conspiracy level stuff, but that would be literally the final step of a EEE plan. Microsoft has done this before and there would be no surprise if they actually did that. Will they? I dunno, but it's overall a heavy handed bad move. Everything I've heard about the system is that it's not a great idea.

Re: It seems that the good times for online Minecraft play are over

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Post by plushpuffin »

jandrese wrote: post #15
teaearlgraycold wrote: post #5

I think having an opt-in (on by default in Realms) universal bans system is a good idea and something only Microsoft can properly provide. Can you really not turn this off per server?

As far as I know there is no way to disable the reporting, nor is there any way to request a review after you are banned. It is a system set up to enable abuse even more than Youtube's content ID and demonetization bans, and that's saying something.

Spigot/Paper servers can disable chat reporting with plugins, clients can disable sending signatures with forge mods, and servers can be configured to allow clients which don’t sign their messages with the setting enforce-secure-profile.
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