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Cheating at chess with a computer for my shoes

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Re: Cheating at chess with a computer for my shoes

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Could you hide a bone-conducting bluetooth speaker in your big hair? This way the computer could speak the instructions and confirm the inputs.

How about the controls being inside your mouth at the top. The tongue is very agile. But it might be difficult to tolerate. You could use a local anesthetic spray before.

Re: Cheating at chess with a computer for my shoes

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post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hans seems like a cool guy, I watched his interview afterwards. PowerPlayChess covered the game, it was a magnificent performance but also not perfect: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n27zd_dVtFw Those saying it he got banned on chess.com, it was total bullshit, here it is of how it happened live on Han's stream when he was an IM: https://livestreamfails.com/post/84343 More info here, if he was really cheating he wou…

He got kicked off of chess.com twice for cheating. Doesn't seem so cool.

That’s the further punishment of cheating previously.

if you do then pull something cool off legitimately, no one believes you.

Re: Cheating at chess with a computer for my shoes

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post #41

Could you hide a bone-conducting bluetooth speaker in your big hair? This way the computer could speak the instructions and confirm the inputs. How about the controls being inside your mouth at the top. The tongue is very agile. But it might be difficult to tolerate. You could use a local anesthetic spray before.

If I was the tournament organizer, all games would be held inside windowless, sound proof rooms doubling as Faraday cages with thick concrete walls, electronic jammers outside to prevent any radio communications, and no one but cleared staff members inside. The players would also be subjected to multiple rounds of metal detectors.

Re: Cheating at chess with a computer for my shoes

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post #41

Could you hide a bone-conducting bluetooth speaker in your big hair? This way the computer could speak the instructions and confirm the inputs. How about the controls being inside your mouth at the top. The tongue is very agile. But it might be difficult to tolerate. You could use a local anesthetic spray before.

>Could you hide a bone-conducting bluetooth speaker in your big hair?

You don't really even need that. You only need to communicate a handful of bits. Morse code using small zaps/pressure anywhere on/in your body is sufficent.

Re: Cheating at chess with a computer for my shoes

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This is relevant to today's events because Magnus Carlsen just withdrew from a tournament[1] after yesterday's loss to a significantly lower rated opponent who had previously been suspended for cheating on chess.com. The tournament organizers have also implemented additional anti-cheating protocols starting today. Whatever comes out of these accusations, the chess world will sure enjoy its new infusion of drama. [1]…

I know very little about chess. Do computers play like top humans? Or different stylistically? ie - if you were a top player and looking at the moves of an opponent, could you discern if the style was more similar to a top rated human or a top rated computer?

Yes, you could very easily do that. However, the theory is that cheaters would let the engine decide only 3-4 critical moves during a game and that would be enough to turn the tide in their favor. In chess small advantages compounds so this computer help would be enough for grand masters to beat the world champion. A cheater that understands cheating countermeasures could easily fly under the radar that way.

Re: Cheating at chess with a computer for my shoes

#46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Magnus has played tons and tons of chess games this year and has maintained his rating. There is no doubt his rating is very accurate unless you think his skill started to deteriorate in the last month.

What if Hans is actually rated higher than his current rating, seems quite plausible, no? ELO has pros and cons; it is not some law of nature: https://en.chessbase.com/post/what-s-wrong-with-the-elo-syst...

I think your point is fine for Hans, I’m just ruling out the possibility that Magnus is overrated.

The reason a lot of older players are overrated is because they stop playing as often and their rating doesn’t catch up to their decline. Magnus plays a ton so that isn’t a concern.

For elite younger players, no matter how much they play, they are getting better so quickly that the rating can’t catch up.

Younger players also get better much much faster than older players decline. It might take a decade for a GM past their prime to drop 100 ELO, whereas a young player can easily add 100 ELO in a year on their way to super GM status.

Re: Cheating at chess with a computer for my shoes

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post #41

Could you hide a bone-conducting bluetooth speaker in your big hair? This way the computer could speak the instructions and confirm the inputs. How about the controls being inside your mouth at the top. The tongue is very agile. But it might be difficult to tolerate. You could use a local anesthetic spray before.

If I was the tournament organizer, all games would be held inside windowless, sound proof rooms doubling as Faraday cages with thick concrete walls, electronic jammers outside to prevent any radio communications, and no one but cleared staff members inside. The players would also be subjected to multiple rounds of metal detectors.

Can metal detector detect a gram of Silicon(except transistor I think there are non metallic replacement for everything)? Also, many players bring their own beverage in their container. Seems pretty steep to ban everything for a small minority of cheater.

Re: Cheating at chess with a computer for my shoes

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I was the tournament organizer, all games would be held inside windowless, sound proof rooms doubling as Faraday cages with thick concrete walls, electronic jammers outside to prevent any radio communications, and no one but cleared staff members inside. The players would also be subjected to multiple rounds of metal detectors.

Can metal detector detect a gram of Silicon(except transistor I think there are non metallic replacement for everything)? Also, many players bring their own beverage in their container. Seems pretty steep to ban everything for a small minority of cheater.

Can a computer small enough to contain a chess engine be fitted into one gram?

The players beverages would also have to be taken out of their original container and transferred into a tournament-provided container.

Re: Cheating at chess with a computer for my shoes

#49

This is relevant to today's events because Magnus Carlsen just withdrew from a tournament[1] after yesterday's loss to a significantly lower rated opponent who had previously been suspended for cheating on chess.com. The tournament organizers have also implemented additional anti-cheating protocols starting today. Whatever comes out of these accusations, the chess world will sure enjoy its new infusion of drama. [1]…

Wow, somehow I missed this. Pretty wild accusations from Magnus and Hikaru on this. Hans just had a horrific tournament in his last attempt, which makes this whole thing pretty interesting. Hans didn't play engine perfect lines when beating Magnus in the Sinquefield Cup, though he obviously played extremely accurately.

Ignoring the lines (and any cheat at this level would be canny enough to avoid the top few engine moves), there's something seriously off about Niemann's analysis - shallowness and incoherence covered over with bluster. Even Ramirez seemed disdainful of his reasoning about his position against Firoujia tonight.

It's pretty grim for him if he really didn't cheat. He won't be invited to a tournament involving Magnus again.

Re: Cheating at chess with a computer for my shoes

#50

I wonder why everyone focuses on electronic communication and wearable devices. There are tons of acoustic side channels if an accomplice watches the live stream outside of the playing venue. Set up construction site and use a hammer just loud enough to be just barely heard from the inside. Bird sounds, music, the possibilities are endless. Very few bits of information need to be transmitted for the best three moves.

Then chess games will be held inside windowless, purpose built sound proof rooms with only staff members inside, and the players will be forced to leave their shoes and socks at the door and wear tournament-provided slippers. Construction work around the building will also be stopped during the tournament.

This sounds like what is already done for some Go/Baduk tournaments. And cameras are only allowed at the beginning and end of matches.

https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/70879967/188520577...

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