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Thomas Piketty’s Radical Plan to Redistribute Wealth

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Just want to point out two things: 1) Rognlie[1] pointed out that Piketty's central premise -- that the returns to capital are growing faster than the overall growth rate of the economy -- falls apart when you properly account for asset class and depreciation. The accelerating returns are specifically to real estate , while the returns to capital (excluding real estate) are flat. 2) Tyler Cowen pointed this out on hi…

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100% inheritance tax on any estate value over $N (inflation indexed), use that money to fund "baby bonds" to give every newborn an investable trust fund. Nobody should get to be rich because of who their daddy was.

This wouldn't force the rich to move elsewhere?

A living person should want more people to be educated instead of living in poverty because that will increase their own lifespan. A dead person is not capable of caring where their wealth went.

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Is there a single example in history where income redistribution worked while it was also easy for foreigners to enter the country and growth persisted for everyone while maintaining said ratios of acceptable inequality?

- If you don't allow foreigners, I'll argue that you haven't solved anything. You've simple picked the winners.

- If the ratio of inequality is disrupted, I'd also argue you haven't done anything other than move the problem (and the losers) to the future.

- If you decide not to redistribute, well that's the current situation for better or worse.

Personally I think a better problem to solve is for humanity in general to decide what the minimum level of prosperity should be, worldwide and slowly try to raise this bar. AFAIK this is basically what we're doing. We could raise the bar faster, though.

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Piketty always has insightful commentary on the topic and I'll definitely be checking out this book. I think we'll come to recognize that R > G is an important influencer for social stability and long term prosperity.

That said, I do wonder if we're looking at inequality (or more specifically hierarchy) through the wrong lens. It seems like almost all independent societies naturally develop some sort of hierarchy (chief, priest, leader) without any outside influence. To me that points to some underlying natural law or at least a biologically-influenced tendency that higher level social constructs will be ineffective at changing.

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^ Precisely. To add to your point: In order for something to be unequal, it had to be obtained via unethical means. This is because the sum of morality of small transactions is transitive. Breaking it down in simple terms: If you voluntarily give your free-earned money to Jeff Bezos, it's an ethical transaction. If millions of people do it, they're all ethical transactions. If Jeff Bezos becomes a go-zillionaire, it'…

What if, after decades of undercutting the competition, you live in a place where your choices are ordering from Amazon or shopping at Walmart? How do I feed myself without giving money to billionaires? Moreover, just because one side of a transaction is voluntary doesn’t mean that the entire business is ethical. Plenty of people voluntarily gave their money for cotton harvested by slaves. Does that mean slavery is e…

There are literally zero laws against setting up a competitor to Amazon or Walmart

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Just want to point out two things: 1) Rognlie[1] pointed out that Piketty's central premise -- that the returns to capital are growing faster than the overall growth rate of the economy -- falls apart when you properly account for asset class and depreciation. The accelerating returns are specifically to real estate , while the returns to capital (excluding real estate) are flat. 2) Tyler Cowen pointed this out on hi…

Georgism just makes more and more sense the more you think about it. The idea that people should be allowed to profit off unimproved land is so clearly immoral, and that’s not to say anything for the efficiency Georgism brings and the amount it would help lower rental costs.

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( submitting this as a reference to Piketty's whole school of thought not just the latest book ) ( Discussion prompt: what are some radical ideas for slashing poverty/inequality globally in 2 decades or less - assuming the public support/political will can eventually be obtained through effort/luck )

1. Rule of law / a set of laws that are enforced equally upon all citizens regardless of wealth or social status.

2. Elimination of usury applied to the money supply of the country in question. That is, issuing money without having a central bank charge interest on the issuance.

I am sure there are more.

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Is there a single example in history where income redistribution worked while it was also easy for foreigners to enter the country and growth persisted for everyone while maintaining said ratios of acceptable inequality? - If you don't allow foreigners, I'll argue that you haven't solved anything. You've simple picked the winners. - If the ratio of inequality is disrupted, I'd also argue you haven't done anything oth…

And who gets to decide what inequality is and why?

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This equating of what-you-put-in to what-you-get-out is a moral choice you can make, but it's easy not to make it. It's widely recognized as hateful. - people's particular successes depend onthw rest of society, they didn't create everything themselves. This should factor into the deservingness calculation. - we have an instinctual desire to take care of the needy (children and elderly in particular); not to honor th…

OP might also want to consider the negative impacts of inequality on society as a whole. A society where material security is the exclusive privilege of the innately talented is probably not going to be much of a society worth living in.

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What if, after decades of undercutting the competition, you live in a place where your choices are ordering from Amazon or shopping at Walmart? How do I feed myself without giving money to billionaires? Moreover, just because one side of a transaction is voluntary doesn’t mean that the entire business is ethical. Plenty of people voluntarily gave their money for cotton harvested by slaves. Does that mean slavery is e…

There are literally zero laws against setting up a competitor to Amazon or Walmart

Who said the barrier to doing that was the law?
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