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EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted

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Re: EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted

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I definitely prefer to have an ice vehicle for range and privacy reasons. But I have this irrational hatred of oil changes. For me that seems like the biggest bonus of an EV. Edit: I guess I don’t like the idea that ordinary procrastination can, in this case destroy a 50k investment.

Privacy reasons? All the privacy concerns are going into both types of cars.

Re: EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted

#42
post #38

I definitely prefer to have an ice vehicle for range and privacy reasons. But I have this irrational hatred of oil changes. For me that seems like the biggest bonus of an EV. Edit: I guess I don’t like the idea that ordinary procrastination can, in this case destroy a 50k investment.

i'm a half full kinda guy, pretty amazing to me that just changing oil can save so much headache...

Re: EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted

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The only logical choice. Some people particularly in the Midwest and South won’t switch until they absolutely have to, TCO be damned.

There's little public charging infrastructure here in the upper Midwest as of yet, which is a significant barrier for many. What worries me if what happens when manufacturers abandon battery platforms. There have been a few stories lately of older cars- the Chevy volt comes to mind- where the batteries aren't made anymore, and replacing one is in the $20-30k, several times over what the car actually sells for. Instea…

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Re: EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted

#44

I feel like predictions on EV adoption generally focus too much on practical benefits and cost improvements over time, but discount - or at least fail to mention - the potential impact of ICE products becoming very uncool, very quickly - at least in Western countries. Overnight, even. It’s not a big stretch to imagine that generations of younger people concerned about the climate might make product consumption choice…

Plausible, but I always come back to TCO. The real reason EVs are suddenly gaining traction is that prices for gasoline spiked and a lot of people are finally realizing that EVs typically cost much less to fuel. Think about how people suddenly start trading in pickups for compact cars when gas prices have spiked in the past -- and maybe that to save 25-50% on fuel cost. A bunch of people are realizing that going to EV is saving more like 75% or more, and that's without downsizing.

So of course EVs were going to become very popular. Just had to get people past the range anxiety and charging unfamiliarity. Now they see that all their neighbors are doing just fine with their new Teslas/etc, and they talk to them about their experience, anxiety goes down, and they sign their name on the waiting list.

Re: EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted

#45

EVs are currently more expensive to operate in europe than gasoline powered vehicles due to out of control inflation and geo political supply issues

We're headed for that everywhere, I think. I'm currently deciding between a MachE and a RAV4 Prime. The price premium for the Ford is so acute that there is no way it'll ever be cheaper TCO than the Toyota. PHEVs are looking very attractive right now.

Re: EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted

#46
post #36

I love the idea of an EV, but I hate how unfriendly they are towards self-repair and I don't want my car connected to the internet. Also an EV has more battery capacity than my house so it'd be pretty hard to charge a car in the winter when I can barely keep my house batteries running my house.

If you don't mind a super-aerodynamic lightweight three-wheeler, Aptera has a strong commitment to right-to-repair. They're making parts and manuals available to anyone. https://aptera.us/right-to-repair-commitment-feat-rich-rebui... https://cleantechnica.com/2021/11/19/a-recent-aptera-video-g... They also get significantly more miles/kWh than most electrics, so the charging problem's easier.

biggest problem is finding good battery packs at scale. Maybe one day we can have a co-op gigafactory.

Re: EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted

#47

I love the idea of an EV, but I hate how unfriendly they are towards self-repair and I don't want my car connected to the internet. Also an EV has more battery capacity than my house so it'd be pretty hard to charge a car in the winter when I can barely keep my house batteries running my house.

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Re: EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted

#48

Given EV’s should have price parity with ICE by 2025-2027, I think its obvious that EV adoption should accelerate. Unless you are purchasing a very cheap sub-$20k car, EV’s should become the only choice by 2030. https://insideevs.com/news/506465/evs-price-parity-europe-20...

Give me a decent un-networked EV and I’ll buy it immediately. Until then I’ll keep my ICE vehicle. Which will probably be until they’re eventually banned, because I don’t think a decent un-networked EV is ever going to exist.

It's unfair to ask for an un-networked EV when basically nobody is even making un-networked ICE vehicles anymore.

Re: EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted

#49
post #38

I definitely prefer to have an ice vehicle for range and privacy reasons. But I have this irrational hatred of oil changes. For me that seems like the biggest bonus of an EV. Edit: I guess I don’t like the idea that ordinary procrastination can, in this case destroy a 50k investment.

Doesn't your garage handle that for you at the yearly checkup?

Re: EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted

#50

Given EV’s should have price parity with ICE by 2025-2027, I think its obvious that EV adoption should accelerate. Unless you are purchasing a very cheap sub-$20k car, EV’s should become the only choice by 2030. https://insideevs.com/news/506465/evs-price-parity-europe-20...

Given the much lower fuel/power cost and reduced maintenance costs, they don't necessarily need to reach price parity.
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