I think this should link to here: https://tinyclouds.org/trademark , not the front page.
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Dear Oracle, Please Release the JavaScript Trademark
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Re: Dear Oracle, Please Release the JavaScript Trademark
#42JavaScript is trademarked and not related to Java. ECMA should adopt the name “JS”. Just JS, not an acronym. That’s what people call it anyway.
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Re: Dear Oracle, Please Release the JavaScript Trademark
#43I feel like this isn't a problem that needs solving. The existence of a trademark doesn't prevent you using that trademark (as in referencing it like "this app is written in JavaScript".) Clearly Oracle is not defending the trademark, and it is likely its too late to start. Worst case they pick on you, you change your docs to say Ecmascript. Frankly it's safer where it is, than being released so the USPO or something…
I agree.
>Careful law abiding engineers bend over backwards to avoid its use
..do they really? It never occurred to me but maybe I don't qualify as careful and law abiding.
Re: Dear Oracle, Please Release the JavaScript Trademark
#44Earlier quoted context omitted.
a) Calling a person evil should be reserved for those that commit truly heinous acts. Not simply being a tough, shrewd businessman in an industry where you need to be. b) Oracle's CEO is Safra Katz and has been for a while now. And pretty sure she has a lot more on her plate to worry about i.e. existential threat of AWS/Azure/GCP than fighting some meaningless lawsuit.
> shrewd businessman in an industry where you need to be. Let me put it that way, if he was only as shrewd as "needed" he wouldn't be sitting there with billions to his name. Every billionaire is driving a wealth distribution that makes the lives of millions of people worse.
It's just a game they play among themselves, 10 points for every million dollars. Nothing really wrong with it, I'm sure lots would play the same way.
Really the problem is in government for failing to do its job of protecting the public.
Re: Dear Oracle, Please Release the JavaScript Trademark
#45It does sound confusing. Just like the different versions of java and distributions that we have now as well. I don’t think they’ll ever do it though, given the history of oracle
Just imagine how fans of Solaris and ZFS feel.
Re: Dear Oracle, Please Release the JavaScript Trademark
#46Earlier quoted context omitted.
> so they could tell people (governments?) that it was a registered standard Well, yes that’s the reason why standards bodies exist :)
Normally standards bodies deliberate over the standard. IIRC Guy was saying that they just handed a document to ECMA and and it was stamped “approved”. Hmm, I see the same was done with Dart…
And C# as well
Re: Dear Oracle, Please Release the JavaScript Trademark
#47Earlier quoted context omitted.
I believe ECMAScript is the specification of which JavaScript is an implementation.
I always have had problem with this definition... what do you mean by "implementation"? in my head "implementations" are "programs". Like... "C" is a specification, "gcc" is an implementation. "Python" is a specification, "CPython", "PyPy", ... are implementations. "ECMAScript" is a specification, "webkit", "spidermonkey", ... are implementations. "JavaScript" is a (trademarked) specification, and also "ECMAScript" a…
D20 is an open standard for a certain genre of tabletop role playing games, of which Dungeons and Dragons™ is an implementation. But D&D itself is an abstract concept, with two implementations: the open-game-licensed online “D20 SRD”, and the proprietary set of WotC-published core books.
Re: Dear Oracle, Please Release the JavaScript Trademark
#48I feel like this isn't a problem that needs solving. The existence of a trademark doesn't prevent you using that trademark (as in referencing it like "this app is written in JavaScript".) Clearly Oracle is not defending the trademark, and it is likely its too late to start. Worst case they pick on you, you change your docs to say Ecmascript. Frankly it's safer where it is, than being released so the USPO or something…
I agree. >Careful law abiding engineers bend over backwards to avoid its use ..do they really? It never occurred to me but maybe I don't qualify as careful and law abiding.
It’d probably only be something that’d be relevant to worry about in e.g. technical documentation that ships with a commercial product. That’s the sort of use-case where I’d be worrying about what IP (including trademarks) are being referenced.
Re: Dear Oracle, Please Release the JavaScript Trademark
#49Earlier quoted context omitted.
Well... Oracle is lead by the most ruthless, unethical, Machiavellian business person in tech and his devoted acolytes. They probably don't gaf. But it wouldn't surprise me for Oracle to decide on some last minute resurrection of the brand and start legal armageddon. (In fact, calling attention to the situation is probably the worst thing to do...) That said, my guess is all they really want is for it to be a zero co…
a) Calling a person evil should be reserved for those that commit truly heinous acts. Not simply being a tough, shrewd businessman in an industry where you need to be. b) Oracle's CEO is Safra Katz and has been for a while now. And pretty sure she has a lot more on her plate to worry about i.e. existential threat of AWS/Azure/GCP than fighting some meaningless lawsuit.
a) I don't think you get to define words for us all
Re: Dear Oracle, Please Release the JavaScript Trademark
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How do you pronounce JS out loud, and why is your way right and the other way wrong?
Just say the letters? Jay Ess in english, Jota Ese in spanish, etc… What other way is there ?
In poland people will not be sure if it's Jot Es or if they want to sound cool and say Dżej Es so it's nice and english. Big problem!