You should not drag others into your criminal actions.
You decided to do it on your own and for your own benefit.
You did it and must now live with it. But done blame others and drag them in and say they "helped". This is on you alone.
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#42Earlier quoted context omitted.
Cloudflare is neutral... Unless you are 8chan, Stormfront, or KiwiFarms. It's an odd definition of neutrality that allows one to take decisive values positions.
Cloudflare’s line seems to be where bodily harm comes into play (e.g. Kiwifarms people enabling SWATing via doxxing, stalking by mobs, etc) which is above and beyond just normal criminal activity. The situations really are not very similar.
And yet they continue to work with innumerable other services causing bodily harm. This was all about countering the negative publicity.
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#43This article seems to have been posted to make a false equivalence with the current Kiwifarms situation. There’s a pretty clear difference in urgency between taking down DDOSers and deplatforming a forum that is a gathering point for a mob engaging in mass harassment, stalking, and SWATing. One is a nonviolent crime. The other is a crime targeting an individual that had already escalated to the point of a high risk o…
DDOSs can have more impact than you think. Such as taking down hospitals and the war in Ukraine. Not really sure which one can be worse though...
https://www.radware.com/security/ddos-experts-insider/ert-ca...
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#44How do we prevent DDOS without centralized services like these? There has to be something. It would be nice if these attacks were blocked before they even get to a transit provider, but cheap server / VPN providers seem unmotivated to try to solve the problem (since they barely lose any money when they facilitate the DDOS, and/or the attacking devices are rogue IoT devices and booting them would mean booting legitima…
Trust, we prevent DDOS with a trust system between nodes.
But this would put Cloudflare out of business so...
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#45This article seems to have been posted to make a false equivalence with the current Kiwifarms situation. There’s a pretty clear difference in urgency between taking down DDOSers and deplatforming a forum that is a gathering point for a mob engaging in mass harassment, stalking, and SWATing. One is a nonviolent crime. The other is a crime targeting an individual that had already escalated to the point of a high risk o…
DDOSing is illegal, any illegal content on KF is quickly removed.
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#46I think this is becoming increasingly common for Cloudflar e which sets a bad precedent. They can scream however much they want that they don't want to make these decisions nor do they like to be put on the spot but it doesn't save them from the backlash of being a "curator of the internet".
Moderators get the worst backlash everywhere in the world. The only difference is that Cloudflare continues to refuse the fact that they have quite a lot of power over whose traffic they let through. When you, basically, govern 20% of internet traffic you must take the responsibility for it as well.
This article is a nonsensical shout in the air. Cloudflare, like Google, is not looking over every single request that goes through them. They take these actions after enough noise is raised to highlight the issue. The problem is that Cloudflare will become prone to bullying.
What I mean is that if I have a good number of fanatic followers, I can raise noise against a rival platform and get Cloudflare to, at least, scrutinize it and, at worst, deplatform it. Cloudflare will need to set in place some policies to protect themselves from this.
If Cloudflare does this kind of thing enough times, they will unintentionally become a policing force. That's really not a good place to be in for a business.
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#47Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's the exact opposite. They try to be, and I believe are, the least political out of all networking infrastructure companies, so in the very rare cases where they do decide to deplatform (Daily Stormer, 8chan, and Kiwi Farms are the only three) it always makes huge press. AWS or Azure doing the same wouldn't make news because they would immediately drop a site like Kiwi Farms, and anything like it, after the first…
Thanks, that makes sense. Still, I don’t understand why Cloudflare goes out of its way to be a white knight when its peers have far less mercy. What’s in it for them? Companies at this scale remove the “don’t be evil” slogans they adopted when they were smaller.
If we take them at their word, it's ideological. They seem to be somewhat libertarian and believe they shouldn't interfere except for the most serious cases. If I recall, they've even stated that the 8chan/Daily Stormer decisions might not have been made today.
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#48This article seems to have been posted to make a false equivalence with the current Kiwifarms situation. There’s a pretty clear difference in urgency between taking down DDOSers and deplatforming a forum that is a gathering point for a mob engaging in mass harassment, stalking, and SWATing. One is a nonviolent crime. The other is a crime targeting an individual that had already escalated to the point of a high risk o…
Cloudflare still protects all those forums which harm people. Kiwifarms is the only one which was sensationized by the twitter crowd.
Look at crime.to. They still send bomb threats [1], exchange stolen credit card data [2], harass people to the point where they lose their houses [3] (SWATing, breaking in into their house and much more included), and probably more on a daily basis.
Still protected by cloudflare. Pretty hypocritical if you ask me.
[2] just browse the forum
[3] https://www.merkur.de/bayern/nuernberg/drachenlord-youtube-w...
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#49> they are actively lighting these fires and making money by putting them out! A bit of an odd take - it's like the fire department putting out the fire at the known arsonist-for-hire's house, and the police chief happens to run the fire department while doing nothing about the suspiciously wealthy arsonist. The difference is that Cloudflare isn't an actual public service and has no obligation to DDOS protect anyone.
The issue (I believe according to the author) is that Cloudflare is now choosing to withhold protection for Kiwi Farms, taking a moral stance and should be more responsible for other moral obligations or none at all. IE. Should they stop providing protection for more sites? When is the next Kiwi Farms? I don't agree with the author because it is still early (and the author might be putting Cloudflare under pressure f…
As they mentioned in their article on Wednesday, cutting service to site A means that they're going to get a lot of angry people and/or governments wondering why they could dare to provide service for the equally vile (in their eyes) sites B, C, and D. They've just exacerbated this situation.
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#50This article seems to have been posted to make a false equivalence with the current Kiwifarms situation. There’s a pretty clear difference in urgency between taking down DDOSers and deplatforming a forum that is a gathering point for a mob engaging in mass harassment, stalking, and SWATing. One is a nonviolent crime. The other is a crime targeting an individual that had already escalated to the point of a high risk o…
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