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Re: AI is getting better at generating porn

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Post by hackerlight »

hn_throwaway_69 wrote: post #26
fyvhbhn wrote: post #6

I wonder if this could help pedophile people since generated porn wouldn't imply abuse of children.

This is still child abuse material and probably still illegal where you live. The reason is obvious, it's a gateway to the abuse of real children.

Let's discuss the morality first.

There's a few reasons that consuming CSAM can be immoral:

- encouraging further production by adding view count, ad revenue, social encouragement to creators.

- compounding victimization by improving circulation.

- apparent gateway effect, either in the individual consuming it or by allowing a culture of tolerance.

It's the same logic for snuff films.

AI created CSAM basically removes the first two issues and leaves the third. But I'd add that the third is somewhat up for debate unless there's some specific evidence from psychology (although my default assumption is that you're right on this). And I'd add that there's some argument that it reduces the demand for real CSAM.

Re: AI is getting better at generating porn

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Post by ceejayoz »

bambax wrote: post #37
dudul wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I may be mistaken but wasn't there some cases of people convicted for owning drawings of CP?

Really? That would be conceptually similar to AI-generated images. What would have been the rationale?

> That would be conceptually similar to AI-generated images.

I would expect those to be similarly illegal in the same jurisdiction.

> What would have been the rationale?

If I see a photo of ice cream, I tend to crave real ice cream.

Re: AI is getting better at generating porn

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Post by dreampen »

fortran77 wrote: post #7

FTA: > that is, until you reach her torso, where three arms spit out of her shoulders. I haven't tried generating porn, but as a pianist I tried to get both DALL-E and stable diffusion to generate pictures of pianists with 3 arms and I've never had it produce a picture of a person with 3 arms. I assumed that's because there's no training material for it to base it on.

(NSFW images below)

I think what happens is that in the early stages of generation, the model picks up on arm-like structures and just keeps building it out. It doesn't realize that the overall structure will be flawed later on.

(3 arms)

https://pornpen.ai/view/B8DguHKatzDvRk7esEX9

(bonus, 3 breasts)

https://pornpen.ai/view/vZ2XbVHRNTEX5kWqOLJA

Re: AI is getting better at generating porn

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Post by dreampen »

peteradio wrote: post #42
dreampen wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's linked in the article but here you go NSFW) https://pornpen.ai/

Servers overloaded! Gotta be kidding me!

I'm working on it! In the meantime try the search feature, there are tons of pre-generated images to search through.

https://pornpen.ai/search

Re: AI is getting better at generating porn

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Post by gruez »

hn_throwaway_69 wrote: post #40
bambax wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think this is a very interesting question that is being systematically sidestepped in these debates. Sexual preferences are a given; some people are attracted to the opposite sex, some people are attracted to the same sex, some people are attracted to children. Nothing they (or anyone) can do about it, lest one decides to indulge in so-called "conversion therapy". Of course, children can't consent, and abusing chil…

>doesn't hurt anybody You're looking at it too narrowly. AI-generated CSAM may facilitate a sexual interest in children among certain individuals. Development of such an interest makes it significantly more likely they will abuse children. So it ought be illegal.

Is this backed empirically? The argument you made is almost identical to the ones used for "grand theft auto is making kids violent!".

Re: AI is getting better at generating porn

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Post by hackerlight »

sixQuarks wrote: post #32
vlovich123 wrote: post #9

> But it’s still depressing how both the options and defaults replicate a very heteronormative and male gaze I don’t understand this particular aspect of fretting. Do the people making such comments think this won’t be applied eventually to all sexual preferences? Given that heteronormative male gaze drives the vast majority of porn consumption, doesn’t seem surprising that that’s where this kind of thing starts at f…

This is what happens when virtue signaling takes precedence over reality. Did the person who is so depressed over this seriously think it would be male nudes specifically targeted to a female audience that will first make it into production?

Moreover it's intellectually lazy. Male genitals being external mean they're legitimately harder to draw and we know how much these AIs struggle with intricate anatomy like hands.

Super disingenuous woke virtue signalling.

Re: AI is getting better at generating porn

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Post by hn_throwaway_69 »

gruez wrote: post #46
hn_throwaway_69 wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>doesn't hurt anybody You're looking at it too narrowly. AI-generated CSAM may facilitate a sexual interest in children among certain individuals. Development of such an interest makes it significantly more likely they will abuse children. So it ought be illegal.

Is this backed empirically? The argument you made is almost identical to the ones used for "grand theft auto is making kids violent!".

There's no reason to make such material lawful unless the converse is proved by empirical evidence. That is, can it be proved that people who view AI-based material are less likely to act on a sexual interest in real children? Unless that's proven, there's no other reason to make such material lawful. You're welcome to provide one.

The analogy is not apt. You cannot compare image-based abuse of children with a video game. GTA is a legitimate form of entertainment, child abuse material is not. They are not remotely similar. This shows why analogies are almost never helpful and it's best just to focus on the topic under discussion.

Re: AI is getting better at generating porn

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Post by bambax »

ceejayoz wrote: post #43
bambax wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Really? That would be conceptually similar to AI-generated images. What would have been the rationale?

> That would be conceptually similar to AI-generated images. I would expect those to be similarly illegal in the same jurisdiction. > What would have been the rationale? If I see a photo of ice cream, I tend to crave real ice cream.

> If I see a photo of ice cream, I tend to crave real ice cream

Would you say this works for other things? Esp. violence? Should all depictions of violence be banned? Or any undesirable behavior? The list may be long.

But more importantly, what you're describing is advertising. An image of an ice cream isn't an ice cream.

Porn works differently. It doesn't advertise for real sex. Porn conflates the representation and the thing itself into one; it delivers gratification directly, something an image of an ice cream doesn't do.

Re: AI is getting better at generating porn

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Post by ceejayoz »

bambax wrote: post #49
ceejayoz wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> That would be conceptually similar to AI-generated images. I would expect those to be similarly illegal in the same jurisdiction. > What would have been the rationale? If I see a photo of ice cream, I tend to crave real ice cream.

> If I see a photo of ice cream, I tend to crave real ice cream Would you say this works for other things? Esp. violence? Should all depictions of violence be banned? Or any undesirable behavior? The list may be long. But more importantly, what you're describing is advertising. An image of an ice cream isn't an ice cream. Porn works differently. It doesn't advertise for real sex. Porn conflates the representation and…

> Would you say this works for other things? Esp. violence?

If I find myself sexually aroused by violence.

> But more importantly, what you're describing is advertising.

Sure. We restrict or prohibit advertisements of certain things. Including child sexual abuse on that list is probably OK.

> Porn works differently. It doesn't advertise for real sex.

I'm not sure I agree. There are, for example, indications consumers of porn are more likely to request / engage in certain sex acts common in porn, like facials, anal sex, choking, etc. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32081698/

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