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Someone hacked YandexTaxi and ordered all available taxis to the same location

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Re: Someone hacked YandexTaxi and ordered all available taxis to the same location

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This reminds me of a classic (non-internet powered) version of this where every business in London was sent to some unsupecting resident's address in order to win a bet, clogging the streets in the process: The Berners Street Hoax of 1810.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berners_Street_hoax

Re: Someone hacked YandexTaxi and ordered all available taxis to the same location

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is this the future of self driving cars?

there were already such bugs before, and my analysis is that even the older ECU cars before the 2000s had such bugs, just nobody bothers to look for them (also ECUs have been causing deaths from bugs but they just assume its the driver's fault). self driving cars will be the next order of magnitude of problems. ECU 1x, smart 10x, self driving 100x.

> In July 2015, IT security researchers announced a severe security flaw assumed to affect every Chrysler vehicle with Uconnect produced from late 2013 to early 2015.[120] It allows hackers to gain access to the car over the Internet, and in the case of a Jeep Cherokee was demonstrated to enable an attacker to take control not just of the radio, A/C, and windshield wipers, but also of the car's steering, brakes and transmission.[120] Chrysler published a patch that car owners can download and install via a USB stick, or have a car dealer install for them.[120]

> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chrysler#Chrysler_Uconnect

Re: Someone hacked YandexTaxi and ordered all available taxis to the same location

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It’s already so hard to build a large company, you just don’t have the resources to chase super rare, low pain outcomes. This is the first time this has happened and the total cost of it is at most a few hours revenue. They’ll likely add safeguards to prevent such a thing now, but if they ran the company preparing for every possible way things could go wrong, they’d get absolutely nothing done.

When you build a product, your customers expect, and pay, you to be an expert and dedicated to that domain. Not some kind of fly by night scam.

This is such a ridiculous take I’m having trouble understanding if it’s satire or not.

Re: Someone hacked YandexTaxi and ordered all available taxis to the same location

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I think you are right. I think the unknowns are, how tiny will the script be that commands all the cars into a lake and will it be a cloud hack or a local broadcast hack?

First, a command to download updated GPS maps that says "There's now a bridge over that lake"...

Yep, I've had Google Maps direct me to drive into a wall or an empty field more than a couple times over the years. It's not uncommon for people to get stranded or even killed by blindly following bad GPS directions. The maps are often quite bad in less traveled areas. And these are the non-malicious cases!

Re: Someone hacked YandexTaxi and ordered all available taxis to the same location

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It’s already so hard to build a large company, you just don’t have the resources to chase super rare, low pain outcomes. This is the first time this has happened and the total cost of it is at most a few hours revenue. They’ll likely add safeguards to prevent such a thing now, but if they ran the company preparing for every possible way things could go wrong, they’d get absolutely nothing done.

low pain outcomes All your customers thinking your app isn't secure any more isn't "low pain".

99% of customers won’t care, because they will only briefly see the news, this hack did not harm them, they don’t care that much about security of an app and they don’t have a good alternative.

The impact of such incidents on company reputation and revenue is often exaggerated.

Re: Someone hacked YandexTaxi and ordered all available taxis to the same location

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This is what happens when optimists win and the realists are cut out of the conversation. As a taxi service, I believe I would want to know if I'm about to have a shortage of taxis in any one area of town, and I'd better only have a concentration in one area of town for an event the entire world is talking about, like a reunion tour or a championship game. Even with the hack, the moment all of the taxis started conve…

There are always going to be individuals that say yes the moment money enters the conversation, as long as food and housing cost money and there is the possibility of going without.

Universal Basic Income now!

Re: Someone hacked YandexTaxi and ordered all available taxis to the same location

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First mention of using driverless vehicles as weapons I recall was Daemon by Daniel Suarez. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daemon_(novel_series)

IRobot (the film) predates that and uses the idea https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I,_Robot_(film) I forgot if any of the IRobot short stories used the concept - if they do they would predate the movie.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sally_(short_story)

First mention of self driving cars becoming sentient and turning on humans I’m aware of, from 1953!

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