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Google Colab Pro is switching to compute credits

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Re: Google Colab Pro is switching to compute credits

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

A business wants to pay (at least) what something costs, because 1. they’re making money themselves from the result, and 2. they don’t want the thing they depend on to stop being offered. You’re not a free rider per se if you want a cost-plus pricing model but it’s just not on offer. (In that case, it’s instead the provider’s fault for not capturing your value surplus.)l similar to how, in scalping, it’s the original…

Google's business model is exploiting people's data to sell advertising. If you use a google "product" that's not advertising, you're not paying what it costs, at least in money. In line with what you're saying, I want to compensate a cloud provider for their services in a way that makes me a customer instead of a vector for advertising or data exploitation.

The mistake you're making is thinking that paying them would mean they stop doing this. Why would they? You're not aware of how they're doing it now, why would money being involved change it unless there was a risk of you leaving the service?

The problem with advertising is that paying for a product just proves you have disposable cash to pay, which in turn makes you a more valuable advertising target.

Amazon, for example, aggressively monitor the types of services people are building that run on AWS, and then to launch competing products as "native" AWS services - knowing that to the rest of their customers, buying the "AWS native" thing is much more appealing then dealing with any 3rd party vendor.

Re: Google Colab Pro is switching to compute credits

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Reeling us in with unlimited and locking it down. Classic

PM for Colab - I wrote the email.

No intention to lock it down? Whatever that would mean? We ensure notebooks are totally portable for any other Jupyter install you want to move to.

This change is about laying the groundwork for increased transparency for your paid compute consumption, vs. the current model of kind of hiding that away.

Re: Google Colab Pro is switching to compute credits

#43

Reeling us in with unlimited and locking it down. Classic

Used Google Colabs for the last 8 months, will fully divest from them with this change...

The change is meant to provide increased visibility in your paid compute consumption.

Re: Google Colab Pro is switching to compute credits

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post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do you mean? Should GCS storage also be free, unless Google is nearing storage capacity?

That's a little bit different. I would assume Google grows GCS over time to meet demand. Most of the demand is static. If Google needs 1PB of storage, they will probably have 1.01PB, and the amount won't go down. Compute is dynamic. You might be above capacity for Christmas shopping, and below capacity at 4am in the middle of the weekend. By varying pricing, you can be more efficient. People who can will smooth out t…

> By varying pricing, you can be more efficient.

AWS and GCP have spot pricing on VMs, so they do have products that do this.

Maybe that's enough. When Colab load goes low, they can turn down a bunch of Colab tasks, and sell the freed capacity as Spot VM / preemptable VMs.

I'm sure there are many big companies out there that essentially have a standing bid for any compute cheaper than $X, and will soak it up as Spot VMs.

Not every GCP product needs to have spot pricing to be efficient. In fact if you silo capacity per product then you'll be less efficient. E.g. someone is willing to pay for spot VMs, but you only have spot Colab available.

Re: Google Colab Pro is switching to compute credits

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post #2

Right when I started using it for StableDiffusion. Lovely.

That (people using a lot of resources) is probably why the change was made.

My peeps, I cannot get legal counsel for seventy billion countries to turn around a ToS update this fast. This has been planned for months, we're looking to increase transparency in your paid compute consumption.

Re: Google Colab Pro is switching to compute credits

#46

Sigh. Unlikely these changes will be of benefit to us users.

This increases visibility into your paid compute consumption. Net win for folks. Feature doesn't launch for 30 days, but I can't make any changes like this without changing ToS, which I have to pre-announce.

Re: Google Colab Pro is switching to compute credits

#47
I deeply appreciate Colab. I bought a nice home GPU rig a few years ago, but seldom use it. When I am lightly using Colab I use it for free and when I have more time for personal research the $10/month plan works really well. I can see occasionally paying for the $50/month plan as the need arises in the future.

I am working on an AI book in Python. (I usually write about Lisp languages.) About half the examples will be Colab notebooks and half will be Python examples to be run on laptops.

In any case, I like the soon to be implemented changes, sounds like a good idea to get credits and see a readout of usage and what you have left.

Re: Google Colab Pro is switching to compute credits

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post #21

Am I the only one that thinks it’s nice they’re being explicit about how much they’re giving you? I found the original ‘however much we have available and feel like giving to you’ plan limit highly unprofessional. I got an A100 after I susbscribed, so it worked out for me, but still annoying you don’t know what you’ll get.

Why thank you!

Re: Google Colab Pro is switching to compute credits

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post #46

Sigh. Unlikely these changes will be of benefit to us users.

This increases visibility into your paid compute consumption. Net win for folks. Feature doesn't launch for 30 days, but I can't make any changes like this without changing ToS, which I have to pre-announce.

Just wanted to say thank you for the transparency in posting here; does this mean that for paid users, compute consumption limits will stay the same or go up?
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